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quote: Originally posted by AcuWill: quote: Originally posted by MP_20: I dunno but imagine if Dwight had done it. That was a wind-up and really doesn't matter what he hit. KG gets away with way too much imo and him not getting anything isn't news. Rafer got a game for smacking in the head. No way this isn't at least a game. Not once, but twice full wind-up elbow. There is no room for interpretation in rules for this one. True, but the thing is that he

quote: Originally posted by Luke_FfS:I feel sorry only for all the Magic fans that are wondering again why we can't even win a ring. And Vince has his share of responsabilities on this. This.

quote: Originally posted by cpower:Our fans hated Vince, was that why we lost so badly in this series? I mean if our fans can't be rooting for every player on this team, we can't win anything. This tough loss should be on our entire team, we shouldn't put all the blames on one player. I am surprised that the cavs fans actually do a better job than us, only few people called out James's name and humiliated him. If we supposed that all we hate Carter... (of course that is just another excuse of the Vince Carter fans) If Carter can

quote: Originally posted by Luke_FfS:Estoy completamente de acuerdo contigo, Matias, solo quer

quote: Originally posted by VC_Fan: quote: Originally posted by ironarrow:As I can see VC_Fan will defend Carter no matter what. He will also get all dirty and rude and will start calling everyone names only to justify Carter's existence as an Orlando Magic player. Carter hasn't done a single thing when he was needed. A few offensive baskets are not going to change the fact. Nobody is calling you names VC_Fan, so stop the ****. One of you guys (can't remember who, and don't feel like searching for the post now) called me a "piece of 5hit" last night. It may have even been in this thread. So don't say nobody is calling me names. quote: Hedo could have only done as bad, not worse. I live in Toronto, and watch every Raptors game. That's how I became a VC fan. Trust me, Hedo is much, much, much worse at this point in their careers. Which is pretty sad considering that he's only 30 years old. When VC was 30 he was putting up 25/6/5 on 56% TS%. Im really worried about you, what would you do when Vince retires?

quote: Originally posted by EnFuego: quote: Originally posted by KillingInTheNameOf:My frustration w/SVG centers around 4 issues that have gone unresolved for 3 entire seasons under his leadership... 1. Get Dwight the ball! This message should be painted on the walls of RDV. It should be ingrained in every player on the rosters brain the first day of training camp. It's utterly rediculous that it took 3 seasons and a humiliating 0-3 start in the ECF's for this message to be sent. I don't know where you get that it took game 3 of the ECF for this to be addressed. Stan has pushed this all year and I know this from all the times players and assistant coaches have made mention of this. Furthermore, the team reacted and actively involved Dwight many times upon Stan's pleas. Our winning record is a manifestation of this. When Stan spends every regular season telling Dwight to remain patient when he's not getting the ball & focus on doing other things...he's fostering stupid & selfish b-ball by his team. Misrepresentation. Stan addressing Dwight to stay focused on the game was merited yet had nothing to do with telling him to accept a diminished role which I don't recal Stan ever saying. Big difference. You got a big man who runs the floor hard, battles for position at the nail, runs all over the floor setting picks, & covers for everybody defensively...it should drive a coach crazy to watch that effort go unrewarded by a collective of chuckers. 2. Push the **** ball! The Magic play small ball with the most athletic center in the NBA. It defies logic that they have consistently ranked near the bottom of the league in fast break points under SVG. They execute fast breaks as bad as any team in the league. I've never seen a team come up empty on so many 2-1/3-2 fast breaks in my life. It should embarass a coach. It's no secret, the Magic are at their best when they play uptempo. How SVG accepts his pg's consistently walking the ball up the floor for 3 seasons is mind numbing. Again, it shouldn't require going down 0-3 in the ECF's before the message gets sent, and that's probably why the focus on it existed for 1.5 of the 3 remaining games.Adressed during the season many times. This is regressive logic. They lost to the Celtics so now all they did during the season was a precursor to that moment. In real time, this team was inconsistent in the middle part of the year and Stan was on the team for it, corrections were made and the team responded extremely well. 3. More offensive & defensive versatility. Stan has made virtually zero adjustments the past 3 seasons. Every improvement this team has made is soley due to personnel upgrades.Wow. Are you kidding me? Just on turnover alone Stan had to make many adjustments. He lost his favorite distributor to free agency and had to deal with a different team. It's hard to belive you would say that. As to who gets credit. If you want to belong to the group of people who give all the credit to the players when they win, and all the blame to the coach when they lose, go right ahead, but you could do that with any coach. Made defensive improvements in years 2 & 3 due to adding players like Barnes, Pietrus, & Lee. Gortat assuming Foyle's role @ C. Made improvements on the boards in year 3 due to Barnes @ SF & to a lesser extend RA & Bass @ PF. No expansion of the playbook, no diversifying the playbook, no commitment to developing a conventional look to matchup with the teams responsible for bouncing Orlando from the playoffs every season under Stan. What are you talking about? they lost to Boston this year, who they beat last year. They lost to the Lakers last year, who they didn't meet. Again, regressive logic. WHOEVER they lost to, Stan should have prepared the team just for them regardless of regular season success. Cleveland made every move possible so they could beat Orlando, look where that got them. Who shoots off screens better than JJ in the entire NBA? Ray Allen, Rip Hamilton, & Kyle Korver? Who's your most efficient post player on the block? Playoff basketball is all about matchups and picking at mismatches like a scab. Boston did it against Orlando, Orlando allowed the biggest mismatch it had available on the floor to go virtually unexploited. 4. Shot Selection. How many 82 game regular season will we hear Stan excuse poor shot selection with, "that's who we are", only to watch it rear it's ugly head in the playoffs? Bad habits don't correct themselves under pressure. Well, again, they won 59 of those 82 and Stan had to be told by his team to be a little more positive because he kept addressing pretty much all your suggestions even when they were winning. I think Stan knows very well that his most realistic chance of getting fired will not be because of performance or aptuitude, it will be because his team tires of him. For a coach who is so demanding, critical & such a micromanager...The persistence of item's 1, 2, & 4 are beyond perplexing. For a team that began the season with the goal of winning a title, how does a coach accept false successes that have zero chance of translating to the playoffs? False success? Zero chance? I'm going to assume you are frustrated by our loss because this whole post makes little sense. Although the whole team set Championship as a goal and should be dissapointed, that does not mean that this team was the favorite to win it all. In fact, the most generous pundits had the Magic ending up exactly wehre they did even if they thought it would be Cleveland beating us. I can't think of any other word but mismanagement to characterize waiting to attempt to address these long standing issues until the ECF and in most cases game 4 of the ECF. I don't think Stan should be fired. But, he absolutely has to embrace some change next season. A 4th season of status quo should not be tolerated by Otiz imo. Among the top four teams in the league with a legitimate chance to win it all? That is status quo I can live with. KITNO imo Stan does any point you write, but he can

quote: Originally posted by MP_20: quote: Originally posted by Mat

Al final de cuentas lo importante son los resultados Luke. Ahora se habla porque siempre se va a hablar incluso si ganas el campeonato. El tema es el resultado, si yo le gano a un equipo 100 a 20 en un partido de basket, pero fue en contra de los suplentes de los suplentes de tal equipo, nadie se acuerda de eso, queda en la historia la goleada. Yo creo que el cambio fue malo desd eun principio, porque Carter fue toda la vida un perdedor, no digo que tukoglu fuese un ganador, pero las 3 cosas que ten

Bass has problems to learn the defense rotations on the Stan system. this is the first year. probably he will see more time next season. The things is Lewis/Anderson/Gorat (Specially in Boston series) are too many players for just 48 minutes for game to let much time for Bass. i guess Bass deserves more time this series, spcecially because Gortat wasn

The value of Vinca carter is he

There is something that is true. The media talk at least very bad about him. And was all the "analyst". All of them. But Vince give them reasons to talk about him. I don

quote: Originally posted by ThuglifeJ: quote: Originally posted by Miller4Prez64:The reason Vince was brought here, other than more fianicial flexibility than Hedo, was for this kind of series. When a team like the Celtics can leave one defender on Dwight and close out to our shooters, we needed a guy who could come in and create offense for himself and others. Vice failed miserably at it, maybe a few years ago he would've gotten it done, but he didn't. As a result, our offense had nothing. We couldn't get seperation for the shooters and Vince couldn't create offense. He couldn't do it now, and he's not going to do it next year. At this point his 17 million dollars expiring is a bigger asset to this team as trade bait than his play on the floor is. Failing miserably? thats what he did last night. He scored the 13 points in the 2nd quarter when Dwight and Jameer went out. We would have been down 20+ if he wasnt in during Nate's run. In G1 everyone was lost and Vince carried the team. But Im not gonna try to convince anyone here you guys straightu p hate Vince. I dont blame anyone tho we did not get to the Finals and VC is a reason for loss in g2,3. Rashard in g1,2,3. Jameer g1,g6. Dwight g1,2,3. Everyone had their downs.. You Vince fans evade the reason Otis bring Carter here. To make the shots to win. You see that two free throws who can make him what he can be, but he didn

IMO we need a PG better than johnson and Williams. Williams. Cj Watson would be perfect. Defense, and offense. Then i would love to see Mike Miller here too. High IQ, great shooter, decent defender, huge body. Good fundaments of the game. yes, he has injueries, but if we reatin JJ, and barnes, and also we have pietrus, and lewis can play some 3, we have an excellent combination of players to play the wing positions. I also like the idea to bring this players: Haslem (but this make Bass expendable) Frye (but this make anderson expendable) Raja Bell I don

We have to accept that boston did a better job defending us than we did against them. they put more energy, and they have a Better starter lineu than us. They lay better than us, they are the best team (with LA) passign the ball in the paint. they are a better defensive team than us, and they put so far more energy than US. They figure out better how to stop our offense, and they have more IQ in their players. We have to remember they have Allen, Pierce, Garnett, Rondo, Wallace and of them were(are at least a star caliber players. And the mos important part, they put their egos away to play as a team to win a championship. ALL of them.

quote: Originally posted by Lewis4thewin: quote: Originally posted by Debonair:i love how not one single person in this thread is able to give any reason as to why stan is a good coach. 1. Great at motivating guys. Kept our team mentally in the series after going down 3-0 2. Coached us to a level of success never before seen in this franchise. We've never finished first in our division 3 consecutive times (we have every year under stan). We've never had a better three year stretch during the regular season (averaged 55.6 wins first three years under brian hill; 56.6 first three years under stan). The 3 year playoff run is the best we've ever had. lost in second round, lost in finals, lost in ECF. 3. Ability to take blame and shift it away from the players. This. 4 - He looks like Mario Bros and Ron Jeremy.

Carter shoul be traded in some way. i guess Otis know that.

Im proud too, but is still thiunk we lose this series because we don

If we can get Bosh at price to let Lewis go and get Hedo, you should accept the trade.

quote: Originally posted by sharp[7]shooter:i'm in post-elimination rage LOL! Well, we lose, but for sure we prove we have soem heart.Not exactly in the last game, but yes in the 4 and 5. I realize that carter hits he

quote: Originally posted by Drew Skyy:Perkins with the moving screen.. no call... yes... No suprises...

This players has to know this is a war and it

That was a block!

the no heart team comes back.

That 2 points of Garnett was against 4 players of the magic. No energy at all.