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Sources say that the Orlando Magic are among the teams to express interest in Tyus Jones, who played alongside new Magic marquee acquisition Desmond Bane for three seasons in Memphis.
Source: Marc Stein @ marcstein.substack.com
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Yes, I've thought about that Suggs for Garland. While I love Suggs, his game predisposes him to injuries.
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1 minute ago, orlandoholic said:
Looking back, Ware would have been really great.
I still hate that we took Jett Howard with Dereck Lively and Gradey Dick still on the board.
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One positive ramification about this trade being the first one out of the gate: it sets the market high. Therefore, other teams wanting to make similar trades are going to have to likely give up more to get the players they want because the Magic set the bar so high.
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I'm fine with the trade. Bane is one of the better fits and a player I've long coveted for the Magic. Any players we'd draft in these next few drafts would likely develop after our window closes. Look at Black, whose draft position is a decent guess at where the Suns pick ends up--while he's shown promise, he's a year or two away from developing into a big-time contributor. Now, think of us ending up with a similar player next year at the Suns spot and that player having a similar career trajectory. It'd be too late for our window. Draft Clayton Jr. with the Den pick and we likely have our Cole Anthony replacement. Otherwise, I'd kind of like to go with a big in Joe Wolf given center is our weakest position and there's a good chance we'll need to replace Mo after this year because he'll want more than we can give him. Bane is an underrated playmaker, but it'd be nice to have some more playmaking off the bench. Tyus Jones could provide that role in a cheap, perhaps even minimum deal.
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Ok, so we don't have a 2026 pick now. Who has the Orlando pick next year, though? I keep seeing in discussions of the trade that it likely means Memphis ends up with the Suns pick because the Wizards pick is top 8 protected. Who likely has the Orlando pick? Charlotte, Phoenix, Washington, someone else? Unknown at this time?
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Do the Magic still have a first round pick next year? Every time I try to understand this damn multi-team swap Suns, Wizards, craziness, I just get confused.
WAS has the right to swap its 2026 1st round pick, protected for selections 9-30, for PHX's 2026 1st round pick; ORL then has the right to swap its 2026 1st round pick for the less favorable of the PHX pick and the WAS pick if conveyable; MEM then has the right to swap its 2026 1st round pick for the least / less favorable of the PHX pick, the WAS pick if conveyable and the ORL pick and CHA will receive the least favorable of these; if the WAS pick is not conveyable, then the commitment to WAS will be lifted and ORL will instead have the right to swap its pick for the PHX pick (via PHX to CHA)
Did they just give their right to swap up to Memphis?
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The comments about Jalen at that link are interesting given that we're back to asking him to play point guard again:
Jalen Suggs Orlando Magic SGLast year's rank: Not ranked. Good things come to those who wait. Jalen Suggs was almost unplayable offensively when he got to the NBA. Emphasis on "almost," because Suggs was so dang pesky on defense that no number of missed 3-pointers could keep him off of the floor. Those reps paid off for him last year, because his 3-point shot hovered around 40% without any decline defensively (in fact, he was better there too). The Magic probably have to make peace with what Suggs isn't at this point. The hope that he could grow into a primary ball-handler on offense that partially informed his draft position has likely faded. But if he's going to be among the NBA's best perimeter defenders and a knockdown 3-point shooter, that alone is more than enough to warrant inclusion on this list. He's a shooting guard, not a point guard, and once the Magic fully embraced that, he turned into the player he was always meant to be. -- Sam Quinn -
I'd love to get KAT to upgrade the center position with a better, bigger floor spacing big. Haven't seen any talk of him here, even though a lot of reports say Minnesota will need to trade him.
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I'm firmly in the sign Isaiah Hartenstein, trade for Anfernee Simons camp.
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This year, I'm mostly hoping Suggs takes a big enough step forward with his shooting to take hold of the starting SG spot or Jett flashes and shows defensive potential at the position. SG is our biggest weakness by far. We really need someone to take the reins there.
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3 hours ago, TreyMachine said:
How did Franz Wagner do today?
He was the highest scorer with 18 points, two rebounds, and four steals. Hit the game winning shot.
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There seems to be a lot of backlash due to the team not playing Kai Sotto. I could care less, personally.
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26 minutes ago, orlandoholic said:
Lebron completely changed the Cavs into a winning franchise within a year.
Nope. The Cavaliers first season with LeBron was actually very similar to Paolo's first season: "The Cavaliers lost their first five games of the season, leading them to an awful 6–19 start. However, they played .500 basketball for the remainder of the season, finishing fifth in the Central Division with a 35–47 record."
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1 hour ago, ball junkie said:
Ok so I checked on lottery picks on our current roster …we have 9 …2 we just drafted …but Paolo also played with Mo Bamba who was traded but a very high lottery selection …you also have Cole who was right on the verge of the lottery at 15 and Chuma right behind at 16…as I mentioned earlier 2 of our guys were former number 1 picks .
Then you have Shaq first year …we went 41-41 and just missed out on the playoffs the last night …at that time only 8 teams qualified …Shaq played his first season with exactly 2 guys on our roster who were lottery selections …Nick Anderson(11)and Dennis Scott (4)…I mean look at the roster he played with …talk about scrubs …freakin Jeff Turner lol
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/ORL/1993.html
Why do I bring this up ? Compare these rosters as I’ve already done for you …we had all that talent and couldn’t make the playin game …which means just making the top 10 teams in the East …you see what Shaq did his first year …yes HE was a generational player …but far to often I see the same label on Paolo …I actually think Franz will have the better career of the two.
Shaq played three years of college basketball before coming to the NBA. Paolo played one. Do you not understand how much further along in their development players with three years of college ball are compared to those with one year? There's a reason why players with that much college experience are seen as closer to their ceiling than players with one year of college. Shaq's first season is not a reasonable comparison. Do you really think the Magic win 41 games in Shaq's first year if he came out after his freshman year?
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50 minutes ago, ball junkie said:
What do you think our record would have been if Fultz didn’t play ? And yes, Suggs was considered a PG playing that position in college and his first year with the Magic
The only way to judge rookies is by the stats and Paolo's first year stats hold up well against some of the best who've played the game. The learning curve means rookies aren't going to impact winning very much. Did you see the Cavs record LeBron's first year? According to you, that guy would be earmarked as a trash player, too.
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I really don't see Orlando as a good third team for that deal for Portland. The assets we have available to trade are guards. Portland doesn't need guards.
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The Ingles deal seems pretty sensible, considering the type of money other teams are throwing around.
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17 minutes ago, ball junkie said:
https://www.si.com/college/arkansas/hogs-mens-basketball/nba-draft-arkansas-razorbacks-anthony-black-orlando-magic-fans-negative-reaction
Wow evidently Magic fans have been pounding Black on social media …so much so that this Arkansas website is firing back at Magic fans …read if you don’t believeI do feel a little bad for Anthony. What this Arkansas write up fails to understand is that our animosity has very little to do with Anthony Black himself in a vacuum. It's much more about this front office constantly drafting this archetype of player who has positional size, is a good defender, and a poor shooter, and then that player never develops a shot with us. The issue might have more to do with our shooting coaches? Indeed, a lot of our animosity is due to Anthony specifically reminding us of Elfrid Payton who ended up being a terrible pick. If you took all that Magic history out of the equation and Anthony wasn't didn't match the player archetype we always draft and who never works out, I bet we'd be more excited or at least intrigued with him. But that animosity has very little to do with him as an individual and he doesn't deserve the hate.
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10 minutes ago, TrueBlueDrew said:
Potential Free Agents?
- Gary Trent Jr.
- Victor Oladipo
- Seth Curry
- Max Strus
- PJ Washington
- Shake Milton
I personally wouldn't mind the Magic making some type of offer to the Trailblazers for Dame, then going after Gary Trent Jr. as 6th man.
Gary Trent isn't available anymore, he opted in.
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Here's the thing, most people outside of Orlando feel like we have our backcourt starting lineup set but feel like we don't have any long-term starters in the frontcourt. While we like Kelle here, and I count myself among those who do, most of the league views him as a backup, and he hasn't exactly established trust as durable over the long-term. So, is it a bad idea to take another shot at a PG if most in the league view our guard room as full of backups? Hopefully, with another year of development and a new face, someone can differentiate himself from the pack and step up to clearly become that long-term lead guard. I don't get the hate for Anthony Black. I don't love the fit, but most scout rankings would have said he was best available (outside of Whitmore, who seemed to have other issues) or very close to it. If we're talking best player available and not concerning ourselves with fit, he was the right pick and I get it. If nothing else, we don't have to worry so much about not having a pass first playmaking PG if Kelle decides to stub his toe again and miss a quarter of the season.
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For anyone who ends up feeling disappointed tonight by whoever we draft, just remember... you probably felt that same way when we picked Franz, and look how well that's turned out.
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15 minutes ago, CTMagicUK said:
Why do you think Bilal is a better fit than Whitmore?
I just see Whitmore as a bowling ball playing bully ball and he's a black hole that never passes the ball; he'd likely clog the paint playing next to Paolo. Coulibaly seems to be a more balanced prospect, in the Bufkin sense of being pretty decent at a lot of things while not particularly excelling at any one. I can see Bilal as more likely to develop into someone who can start at shooting guard down the road and feel like he's more likely to develop a three ball and become a floor spacer.
2025 Off-Season Thread
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The Denver Nuggets are trading Michael Porter Jr. and an unprotected 2032 first-round pick to the Brooklyn Nets for Cam Johnson, sources told ESPN's Shams Charania.