Can JJ be a point guard?

[michelle7 0]

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Originally posted by andie:

Either BHill or JJ needs to leave in the off season. We all know why Brian needs to pack his bags. If somehow he still has a job, then JJ needs to be traded to an organization that appreciates his talent and strong work ethic. Letting JJ rot on the bench is nothing less than a crime. He should, at least, have a real chance at seeing what he can accomplish in the NBA. He certainly isnt gettting it in Orlando at the present.

 

Amen! I hope Hill goes, but if he doesn't, then I really hope they trade JJ somewhere else. I don't think he can be fairly evaluated at the NBA level yet. Either on the positive or negative side really. But especially on the negative side. Yes, he's had a couple of poor showings, but they're offset by the games where he contributed an average of 13 points. Considering some of the veterans are averaging that and he's just a rookie... I would say he's shown way more of an upside so far. Its beyond frustrating being a JJ Redick fan and watching him rot on the bench. The "he has to earn his minutes" excuse played fine at the beginning of the season, but not anymore. If the other guys ahead of him were producing, then fine, but they aren't.

[The Ghost of John Gabriel 0]

Redick does not possess the ball handling skills or quicks to play PG IMO. Redick's game is off the ball and using the threat of his shooting ability to create penetration. Attempting to play him on the ball at PG would severaly limit his effectiveness. If Reece Gaines & Jeryl Sasser struggled to bring the ball into the front court playing PG, tasking Redick to do so is a complete waist of talent IMO.

[FanSince1990 0]

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Originally posted by The Ghost of John Gabriel:

Redick does not possess the ball handling skills or quicks to play PG IMO. Redick's game is off the ball and using the threat of his shooting ability to create penetration. Attempting to play him on the ball at PG would severaly limit his effectiveness. If Reece Gaines & Jeryl Sasser struggled to bring the ball into the front court playing PG, tasking Redick to do so is a complete waist of talent IMO.

 

That's true to a certain extent but we have to remember that JJ has a high basketball IQ, higher than Jameer and Arroyo which means he'll consistently make better decisions, and as it is, IMO he's not any slower than Arroyo. JJ is a guy who likes to move around and he's always active, so it would be exciting to see him distributing the rock while we use a taller, more athletic player (a Vince carter type) for SG, which will be ideal. Athletic wing players are easy to find, the PG position is harder to fill adequately.

 

Either way it wouldn't hurt to try. Perhaps it could much better than what Brian Hill has going on now.

[The Solution 0]

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Originally posted by The Ghost of John Gabriel:

Redick does not possess the ball handling skills or quicks to play PG IMO. Redick's game is off the ball and using the threat of his shooting ability to create penetration. Attempting to play him on the ball at PG would severaly limit his effectiveness. If Reece Gaines & Jeryl Sasser struggled to bring the ball into the front court playing PG, tasking Redick to do so is a complete waist of talent IMO.

 

I don't think you are recognizing Redicks ball handling abilities. If Vince Carter and JJ Redick were the guards, the opposition would be terrorized by Dwight Howard's inside presence and the spacing these guys would provide.

 

A point guard who is a good passer with good court vision does not have to have "quicks" if he's smart, crafty, and can shoot lights out. Stockton and Billups are that kind of point guard.

 

We need a point guard that can draw fouls and shoot free throws (like Wade) to finish out games. Redick can do that.

[FanSince1990 0]

By the way Michelle7 I see you're new here plus you see what's really going on, welcome to the boards!

 

Yes we share your sentiments, hopefully this nightmare of a coach we have is gone soon. I know it'll be the happiest moment for me this season, hands down!

[michelle7 0]

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Originally posted by FanSince1990:

By the way Michelle7 I see you're new here plus you see what's really going on, welcome to the boards!

 

Yes we share your sentiments, hopefully this nightmare of a coach we have is gone soon. I know it'll be the happiest moment for me this season, hands down!

 

Thanks for the welcome! I appreciate it. I have been reading the board for a little while now, but was hesitant to post being an outsider. JJ getting yet another DNP though... I just had to agree with what you guys were talking about.

 

I signed the petition last night too. I share your frustration. Not just for JJ, but for the entire team. They have so much potential. To see it being under utilized and mismanaged is terrible. I haven't been a Magic fan as long as most of the rest of you though and I can't even imagine what its like for you.

[MagicmaninMiami 0]

Kind of pointless to envision JJ playing the point when he can't even get minutes at the two.

 

Got to agree that losing now is the best option. Bhill is a hard headed old school coach that will ride the veterans on the team to try and win. Only when it becomes overly apparent to everyone that it isn't going to work even with Ariza will he stop his present direction. Sounds crazy but three or four more losses in a row might do the trick and I'm betting the east will still be wide open.

[The Ghost of John Gabriel 0]

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Originally posted by The Solution:

quote:

Originally posted by The Ghost of John Gabriel:

Redick does not possess the ball handling skills or quicks to play PG IMO. Redick's game is off the ball and using the threat of his shooting ability to create penetration. Attempting to play him on the ball at PG would severaly limit his effectiveness. If Reece Gaines & Jeryl Sasser struggled to bring the ball into the front court playing PG, tasking Redick to do so is a complete waist of talent IMO.

 

I don't think you are recognizing Redicks ball handling abilities. If Vince Carter and JJ Redick were the guards, the opposition would be terrorized by Dwight Howard's inside presence and the spacing these guys would provide.

 

A point guard who is a good passer with good court vision does not have to have "quicks" if he's smart, crafty, and can shoot lights out. Stockton and Billups are that kind of point guard.

 

We need a point guard that can draw fouls and shoot free throws (like Wade) to finish out games. Redick can do that.

 

I've watched JJ play a lot of ball. Ball handling and creating off the dribble is not a strength. He's very adept at using ball, head, and shoulder fakes to create penetration, but I honestly can't envision him succeeding in the role of point guard. JJ is as natural a 2 guard as Stockton, Nash, & Kidd were/are PG's IMO.

 

It's possible you could steal some minutes from him there. But, it would likely require a lot of help. I think he would struggle badly at that position on both ends of the floor. IMO, he doesn't even compare athletically to combo guards like Ainge, Hornecek, or Hinrich who only shared the PG duties. That's just my opinion.

[Osi 0]

LOL JJ a pg? Listen I love JJ, but lets not get crazy. A pg has to be able to be nimble, and be able to beat more than 1 guy off the dribble or pass, JJ can only beat 1 man at a time trust me, he doesnt have the ball handling ability, he doesnt really have a first quick step with the ball in his hands, i dont know about now cuz i havent seen him much, but at duke, he wasnt a great ball handler, and ive seen him all 4 years.

[Drain-O 369]

J.J. is not a point guard. The thinking behind it is good because him and Carter would create nightmares but he is so much better off the ball we would be wasting his best attribute which is catch and shoot. Yes he was able to create his shot at Duke but against inferior talent. When he played LSU and others in the tourney he really struggled to get anything going. I think our solution at pg may be rotting away at the end of the bench.

[chosen12 75]

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Originally posted by The Solution:

Cleveland someday, with a different coach, will have Lebron playing point guard because of his court vision and passing abilities.

 

http://nba.aolsportsblog.com/2007/02/11/lebron-james-should-play-point-guard/

 

Redick is too good of a player to be a 3 point specialist. Converting Redick to a point guard allows the team to capitalize on his talents and have him on the floor more.

 

Now that makes sense, and it is worth a shot, what's the worst that could happen, we sink below 500???? LOL

[Courtskils 0]

J.J. Redick is not a point gaurd. Speaking as a player, if you watch J.J. dribble it's a green light to steal the ball.

 

He dribbles very close to his body, which means he can't protect the ball. When a good ball handling gaurd dribbles when being covered watch the space they get between the ball and the defender.

 

This is something that is very hard to develop, it is a natural instinct to protect the ball by dribbling close to the body, but in reality that opens the door for defenders. A quick defender can easily knock the ball lose with a quick swipe without following.

 

If you provide spacing a defender misses and is forced to foul or look silly. As a ball handler you can always bring the ball close to the body, but wants its close and a defender is on you, the defender is at advantage.

 

Now Redick running an offense is different from him playing PG. Someone like Grant Hill can bring the ball up the floor and let J.J. run the offense. This would have to be a quick offense without PG iso's, it would probably help ball movement a lot.

 

J.J. could run an offense, but in no way is he a PG. If he could learn how to handle the ball, it is a much different story.

 

J.J. is a smart player, but his strength is scoring. I would never exploit his weakness just to get him on the court. If coach Hill learned how to coach towards player's stregths and find lineups where the players individual strengths blend together, the Magic will see vast improvements.