2024 Off-season Thread

[fan for too long 2 567]

Jett should have been in the rotation last year, just for the fact that he can shoot. If he is not playing regularly this year, then it’s a waist of talent and mismanagement by the Magic. 

[MagicMan1979 153]

2 hours ago, CTMagicUK said:

I'll be more than happy if Jett Howard can be a Kevin Huerter type player (which I think is a pretty reasonable comp in terms of size + shooting + some secondary passing). Not going to get my hopes up he's Devin Booker until he plays real NBA minutes. 

That’s probably a realistic ceiling for Jett CT. I like that comparison for him. I just watched yesterday’s game because I had to work. AB, Jett, and Tristan all looked very good. There is a decent chance they all play this year and contribute. It looks like all three were solid picks for Weltman. 

[A Better DJ & Photographer 474]

3 hours ago, fan for too long 2 said:

Jett should have been in the rotation last year, just for the fact that he can shoot. If he is not playing regularly this year, then it’s a waist of talent and mismanagement by the Magic. 

A lot of guys come into the league with skills, but don't have an NBA body. He's gonna be great this year.

[Shine88 115]

Bud Carrington showed out last night. He was the best player on the court the featured the top 2 picks (who were both good). I was hoping he felt to us at 18. He was the only prospect from this class that had lead guard upside. He reminds me of Markelle before TOS. Washington has a bright future with Bud, Bilal and Sarr.

Once I heard OKC was high on Bud, and Washington traded for the 14th pick, I knew he wasn't falling past 14, being that Washington GM is an OKC guy.

[Jason Funderburker 117]

I've been a Jett hater but I was pleasantly surprised how he took the opportunity to assert his shooting and actually looked like he second best player out there

[Shine88 115]

36 minutes ago, Jason Funderburker said:

I've been a Jett hater but I was pleasantly surprised how he took the opportunity to assert his shooting and actually looked like he second best player out there

Jett is ready to make a jump this season. He reminds me of JR Smith. He got one of the quickest releases. Should compete for a rotation spot.

[orlandoholic 196]

5 hours ago, Shine88 said:

Bud Carrington showed out last night. He was the best player on the court the featured the top 2 picks (who were both good). I was hoping he felt to us at 18. He was the only prospect from this class that had lead guard upside. He reminds me of Markelle before TOS. Washington has a bright future with Bud, Bilal and Sarr.

Once I heard OKC was high on Bud, and Washington traded for the 14th pick, I knew he wasn't falling past 14, being that Washington GM is an OKC guy.

no disrespect, but Markelle before TOS was one of the best prospects the NBA has seen. 
He had it all. He could do anything. 

Carrington shows flashes, but is nowhere near Fultz abilities 

[hootie249 316]

On 7/13/2024 at 2:57 PM, orlandoholic said:

no disrespect, but Markelle before TOS was one of the best prospects the NBA has seen. 
He had it all. He could do anything. 

Carrington shows flashes, but is nowhere near Fultz abilities 

I'll never understand the Markelle thing. He never looked like what was described by either the pre draft guys or his videos online which i have watched after we picked him up years ago.

Always looked like an average point guard to me and he never moved in a way that suggested number one pick in my mind. Now when someone only plays one year of college ball they have limited film but he was going to be a 3 level scorer. Now that suggestion is laughable but is it hindsight or was it a smokescreen? And forget about the 3 point shot, where is the burst off the dribble or his ability to break his man down. Forget about when he injured his leg after he signed his SECOND contract with the Magic, where was it before? TOS doesn't take that away, nor does it explain his average handle that somehow gets overhyped.

I say smokescreen. Haven't we learned anything about the NBA. Some GM's only look at certain kinds of players(Henny,Weltman,) some barely watch college ball and rely on underlings who are heavily influenced by the media sometimes. It's not absurd that the hype around Markelle was a smokescreen created by agents and other scouts and gm's.

Look at out current situation where almost everyone believed the Magic were going to draft Smith! It was always a coin flip draft between Chet and Paolo, always! Before the college season played out they were the blue chip prospects. Yes Jabari Smith had an incredible year in college but c'mon! If you can't see that the Magic were being targeted by media and scout tom foolery you need to pay more attention to the NBA. He was only speculated to go to the Magic because we needed shooting and were starting to develop a reputation of making bad decisions.

Thank god they picked Paolo. And this brings me full circle to saying i never understood the Markelle pick. 

Quick edit i mean number one pick flashes. Obviously the guy has skills, he showed them finally two years ago when he looked pretty good for us, just NBA good, not all-star good. Did he ever for one second look like Scoot Henderson or Ja Morant? No he did not. Did he ever have a handle like Haliburton who was hyped as a top 5 pick for most of the year but dropped because his athleticism was kind of average. He also couldn't shoot like Haliburton either. 

He had a good initial burst, but not even elite like half the ignite athletes the last 5 drafts. The guys getting drafted based on pure physical talents. So, average handle pretty good to great burst and limited passing skills. He was drafted high for being projected as a 3 level scorer. Take away the 3 point shot and you have exactly what happened. A bust.

[TreyMachine 423]

1 hour ago, hootie249 said:

I'll never understand the Markelle thing. He never looked like what was described by either the pre draft guys or his videos online which i have watched after we picked him up years ago.

Always looked like an average point guard to me and he never moved in a way that suggested number one pick in my mind. Now when someone only plays one year of college ball they have limited film but he was going to be a 3 level scorer. Now that suggestion is laughable but is it hindsight or was it a smokescreen? And forget about the 3 point shot, where is the burst off the dribble or his ability to break his man down. Forget about when he injured his leg after he signed his SECOND contract with the Magic, where was it before? TOS doesn't take that away, nor does it explain his average handle that somehow gets overhyped.

I say smokescreen. Haven't we learned anything about the NBA. Some GM's only look at certain kinds of players(Henny,Weltman,) some barely watch college ball and rely on underlings who are heavily influenced by the media sometimes. It's not absurd that the hype around Markelle was a smokescreen created by agents and other scouts and gm's.

Look at out current situation where almost everyone believed the Magic were going to draft Smith! It was always a coin flip draft between Chet and Paolo, always! Before the college season played out they were the blue chip prospects. Yes Jabari Smith had an incredible year in college but c'mon! If you can't see that the Magic were being targeted by media and scout tom foolery you need to pay more attention to the NBA. He was only speculated to go to the Magic because we needed shooting and were starting to develop a reputation of making bad decisions.

Thank god they picked Paolo. And this brings me full circle to saying i never understood the Markelle pick. 

Quick edit i mean number one pick flashes. Obviously the guy has skills, he showed them finally two years ago when he looked pretty good for us, just NBA good, not all-star good. Did he ever for one second look like Scoot Henderson or Ja Morant? No he did not. Did he ever have a handle like Haliburton who was hyped as a top 5 pick for most of the year but dropped because his athleticism was kind of average. He also couldn't shoot like Haliburton either. 

He had a good initial burst, but not even elite like half the ignite athletes the last 5 drafts. The guys getting drafted based on pure physical talents. So, average handle pretty good to great burst and limited passing skills. He was drafted high for being projected as a 3 level scorer. Take away the 3 point shot and you have exactly what happened. A bust.

Markelle Fultz was the consensus #1 pick. Elite explosive first step, great handles, very good jump shot, and really good vision/passing. Literally the guy just needed to add a 3 pt jumper and he would have been an All-Star had he just kept to the status quo. The issue was his confidence and jump shot both regressed, and as we saw, he essentially had then a ceiling of Elfrid Payton. 

A player like that becomes an all-star 60% of the time and a talented starter another 30% of the time. He was the small % that didn’t make it. You take that bet each time if the draft happens again with the same information. 

[TreyMachine 423]

You know what’s crazier than us trading for Markelle Fultz for what everyone considered to be relatively cheap?

The pick we traded away - a late playoff pick at the time from OKC (21) - became Tyrese Maxey. 

Just found that out.

Ugh. Lol

[MagicMan1979 153]

5 minutes ago, TreyMachine said:

You know what’s crazier than us trading for Markelle Fultz for what everyone considered to be relatively cheap?

The pick we traded away - a late playoff pick at the time from OKC (21) - became Tyrese Maxey. 

Just found that out.

Ugh. Lol

My Dad literally brings that up anytime I watch a Magic Game.  Especially when he sees Cole bricking jumpers.  We could have drafted Maxey over Cole with that pick also.

[orlandoholic 196]

5 minutes ago, TreyMachine said:

You know what’s crazier than us trading for Markelle Fultz for what everyone considered to be relatively cheap?

The pick we traded away - a late playoff pick at the time from OKC (21) - became Tyrese Maxey. 

Just found that out.

Ugh. Lol

but to be fulfill the story. The pick was really quite unrealistic to convey to the Magic/Sixers.. 
it was OKCs pick and Muscala had a career game that secured them a W. Had OKC lost, that pick would have conveyed into two second round picks aka Cash Considerations.. 

And if the Magic believed in Maxey they would have selected him at 15.. 

For me i was hyped about Cole and Maxey in that draft. Got a lot of heat about Maxey, but i’ve seen his workouts and you could just see he got it all. 

I remained on the Cole train though because we needed a PG and i thought his ceiling was prime Kemba Walker. 

 

Word „on the street“ is that Orlando would have probably drafted RJ Hampton over Maxey anyway