MagicFanDan 121 Report post Posted January 26, 2023 My dream realistic trade would be a 3 team trade with Pacers, Raptors and Magic. And it works in the trade machine. Pacers are +2, magic +7 and Raptors -6. Pacers Give: Buddy, Myles, 2023 Cleveland 1st, 2023 Boston 1st and 2024 Indy 1st. Get: Pascal, Bamba and Ross Raptors Give: Pascal, OG and Trent Get: Myles Turner, Buddy Hield, Jalen Suggs, Bol Bol, 2023 Picks for Chi, Cleveland , Boston. 2024 pick from Indy and 2025 pick from Denver and Orlando Magic Give: Jalen, Ross, Bamba, Bol, 2023 chi pick, 2025 Denver pick and 2025 Orlando pick. Magics depth chart would be: PG: Fultz/Cole SG: OG/ Harris SF: Franz/ Trent PF: Paolo/ JI C: WCJ/ Moe Wagner Raptors depth chart would be: PG: FVV/Flynn SG: Buddy/ Suggs SF: Otto Porter/ Bol Bol PF: Scottie/Brouchard C: Turner/ Birch Would have (4) 1st in 2023 draft, (2) 1st in 2024 draft and (3) 1st in 2025 draft. Indys depth chart would be: PG: Tyrese/ TJ SG: Mathurin/ Ross SF: Duarte/ Neismith PF: Pascal/ Jalen Smith C: Bamba/ Theis Let me know your thoughts on the trade and if you think anybody would decline? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UEBERMORTAL 125 Report post Posted January 26, 2023 I would suggest this trade: WCJ for Kevin Huerter (Kings) and a 2nd rdr (2023) Why for Orlando: We need more playing time for Bol, Moe and JI and great shooting from outside Why for Sacto: They need a complementary big to Sabonis 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CTMagicUK 1,459 Report post Posted January 26, 2023 6 minutes ago, UEBERMORTAL said: I would suggest this trade: WCJ for Kevin Huerter (Kings) and a 2nd rdr (2023) Why for Orlando: We need more playing time for Bol, Moe and JI and great shooting from outside Why for Sacto: They need a complementary big to Sabonis This is horrible. You don't trade a good player to make more playing time for worse players. Also, that's a bad return for WCJ. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hootie249 293 Report post Posted January 26, 2023 11 hours ago, CTMagicUK said: Possibly recency bias but I don't want to trade Gary Harris. He's a part of one of the best starting 5s in the league and gives us exactly what we need at the 2, low usage, solid defensively, good shooter. Unless he gets you a considerable upgrade or a haul from a contender I'd ride with him. If we can move some combo of Bamba/Ross/RJ/2nds and get a long term bench piece (or if you don't give up much an expiring who improves the bench) we should probably do that. I mean this is spot on. When we started the year so slowly the biggest reason is we didn't have Gary. Then it took him awhile to get going. Now he looks perfect. Think the front office just keeps him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Soul Bro 1,409 Report post Posted January 26, 2023 2 hours ago, MagicFanDan said: My dream realistic trade would be a 3 team trade with Pacers, Raptors and Magic. And it works in the trade machine. Pacers are +2, magic +7 and Raptors -6. Pacers Give: Buddy, Myles, 2023 Cleveland 1st, 2023 Boston 1st and 2024 Indy 1st. Get: Pascal, Bamba and Ross Raptors Give: Pascal, OG and Trent Get: Myles Turner, Buddy Hield, Jalen Suggs, Bol Bol, 2023 Picks for Chi, Cleveland , Boston. 2024 pick from Indy and 2025 pick from Denver and Orlando Magic Give: Jalen, Ross, Bamba, Bol, 2023 chi pick, 2025 Denver pick and 2025 Orlando pick. Magics depth chart would be: PG: Fultz/Cole SG: OG/ Harris SF: Franz/ Trent PF: Paolo/ JI C: WCJ/ Moe Wagner Raptors depth chart would be: PG: FVV/Flynn SG: Buddy/ Suggs SF: Otto Porter/ Bol Bol PF: Scottie/Brouchard C: Turner/ Birch Would have (4) 1st in 2023 draft, (2) 1st in 2024 draft and (3) 1st in 2025 draft. Indys depth chart would be: PG: Tyrese/ TJ SG: Mathurin/ Ross SF: Duarte/ Neismith PF: Pascal/ Jalen Smith C: Bamba/ Theis Let me know your thoughts on the trade and if you think anybody would decline? For me, that’s far too much to give up for OG and a five month rental of Trent Jr. Not including Bol, who has great value, that’s like surrounding 4 firsts, as I believe Suggs still has the value of a first. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Soul Bro 1,409 Report post Posted January 26, 2023 Unless we get a great backup point guard or center (e.g. FVV), or good value with a young player (e.g. Moody or Braun), I think we’ll sell Ross and Bamba at the deadline and not buy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Natesroom 197 Report post Posted January 26, 2023 2 hours ago, CTMagicUK said: This is horrible. You don't trade a good player to make more playing time for worse players. Also, that's a bad return for WCJ. amen brother... non negotiable trades right now would be: Franz, Paolo, WCJ + For injury reasons unsure of potential JI and Suggs + Chemistry reasons Moe these three close to being a no on is Harris and Bol and Houstan Every one else should be on the table. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
harryfromphilly 69 Report post Posted January 26, 2023 40 minutes ago, Natesroom said: amen brother... non negotiable trades right now would be: Franz, Paolo, WCJ + For injury reasons unsure of potential JI and Suggs + Chemistry reasons Moe these three close to being a no on is Harris and Bol and Houstan Every one else should be on the table. i hope that you accidentally forgot fultz... he is the brain of our starters...i think it would take a lot to replace him RIGHT NOW. not saying he is not moveable in the future Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmmagicfan 299 Report post Posted January 26, 2023 2 hours ago, Natesroom said: amen brother... non negotiable trades right now would be: Franz, Paolo, WCJ + For injury reasons unsure of potential JI and Suggs + Chemistry reasons Moe these three close to being a no on is Harris and Bol and Houstan Every one else should be on the table. 1 hour ago, harryfromphilly said: i hope that you accidentally forgot fultz... he is the brain of our starters...i think it would take a lot to replace him RIGHT NOW. not saying he is not moveable in the future I'm not sure there is such a thing as a player who is unavailable for ANY trade, but here's my listing of what it would take: Franz, Paolo, Markelle, Wendell - if you want one of them you better be including a multi-time all-star under 30y.o. to even start the discussion. Isaac is about the same if he stays healthy the rest of the season. These next guys I would like to keep, but the right package of players in the 22-25y.o. range and/or draft picks could sway me. I really like Harris, but again, he needs to stay healthy the rest of the season. Moe Wagner is tough, because I think he is more valuable to us than to anyone else. I would like to give Okeke, Suggs, & Houstan more time to get healthy and/or develop, but they are negotiable. Now we are getting down to guys that I would be okay with trading, individually or in some kind of package deal. Cole is probably our most valuable, tradeable asset in terms of potential value. Unfortunately because of his rookie contract the best offers for him would have to be in conjunction with other (expiring?) players. If we could get more of the team concept into his head, he'd be worth keeping, but his strong tendency to descend into "hero ball" is concerning. It blows up into disaster as often as it results in a win. I do love his energy and enthusiasm, though. Bol is an interesting player with a lot of good things on the offensive side, but he's detrimental on defense. He doesn't have the heft to play defense (right now?). Could that change? Maybe, but he has to stay healthy and put on some weight. He has a similar body type to his father, who never really could put on weight. Same value problem as Cole, his contract is cheap, so getting equal value would probably require a multi-player trade. Bamba is one of those guys who looks so much better on paper than he does in actual games. How a guy his size can be so poor on defense and rebounding astounds me. He does enough well on the offensive end that someone might take a chance of him developing a more complete game. I hope we can turn him into other assets. Ross is my most disappointing player this year. His offense has been even more inconsistent, and he seems to be falling out of the rotation. The torch lightings have been few and far between, and we don't seem to ride them when they do happen. He expires at the end of the season, so get whatever you can get now. Maybe package him with Cole or Bol to help offset salaries on a multi-layer deal. RJ Hampton had a miserable pre-season, but I think he has actually played well when given the opportunity. I just don't have a good handle on what value to place on him. He is an expiring rookie contract - so again you would have to package him with other players to get decent value, or settle for picks. I think he would be more valuable to other teams than he is to us, but I'm not sure that anyone has seen enough to give us a decent offer. He's kind of been the lost guy this year. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fan for too long 2 527 Report post Posted January 26, 2023 I agree with your assessment jm, but I would put Okeke on your most disappointing list. Suggs and Cole are teetering on the edge of being something or nothing with Cole being the guy that really has that star potential. So I’d be really hesitant to trade him. Suggs has really not lived up to expectations, he is a very good defender but his offense is horrific and makes some really dumb plays. So he would be the guy of those two, I would take offers for. RJ has not gotten the playing time and I don’t understand it at all this year. With Ross underperforming and Harris being injured, he should of been getting plenty of time at the 2 position. He has impressed me with his improvement but he is probably the odd man out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmmagicfan 299 Report post Posted January 26, 2023 3 minutes ago, fan for too long 2 said: I agree with your assessment jm, but I would put Okeke on your most disappointing list. Suggs and Cole are teetering on the edge of being something or nothing with Cole being the guy that really has that star potential. So I’d be really hesitant to trade him. Suggs has really not lived up to expectations, he is a very good defender but his offense is horrific and makes some really dumb plays. So he would be the guy of those two, I would take offers for. RJ has not gotten the playing time and I don’t understand it at all this year. With Ross underperforming and Harris being injured, he should have been getting plenty of time at the 2 position. He has impressed me with his improvement but he is probably the odd man out. I am disappointed with Okeke so far, but more from an injury and aggressiveness standpoint. I just remember him being so solid and the center of his college team, and we haven’t seen the full extent of his game yet. Maybe it’s the injuries that have made him more passive, maybe it’s been playing without a true point guard, I just feel like he’s a player that would come back and bite us if we let him go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Albert Lergier 98 Report post Posted January 27, 2023 8 hours ago, CTMagicUK said: This is horrible. You don't trade a good player to make more playing time for worse players. Also, that's a bad return for WCJ. Bamba and RJ + a 2nd or maybe 2 for Huerter is the trade with Sacramento Share this post Link to post Share on other sites