Soul Bro 1,417 Report post Posted June 10, 2022 7 hours ago, CTMagicUK said: It's worth noting that Isaac, Chuma, Cole and Franz all performed very well in Peltons rankings. Yes, it’s quite a “tell,” isn’t it? Fultz was actually 2 and Isaac 3 in Pelton’s 2017 rankings. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CTMagicUK 1,475 Report post Posted June 10, 2022 It definitely feels like it's between Jabari and Chet for us and at this point I'll probably be surprised if it's not Jabari. Still have concerns about just how great Jabari can be. I'm not at all concerned about him busting or being flat out bad, I'm sure he can be a starter in the league, but his lack of rim attempts and low 2 point FG% just scare the hell out of me. A 6'10 guy with only 14 made dunks in a whole season is just bad (Paolo Banchero had 41, Chet had 57) especially when he's being pitched as an All Star calibre talent versus an off ball shooting specialist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CTMagicUK 1,475 Report post Posted June 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Soul Bro said: Yes, it’s quite a “tell,” isn’t it? Fultz was actually 2 and Isaac 3 in Pelton’s 2017 rankings. Historically we've valued, long guys with huge wingspans, guys who were high recruits in high school, pass/dribble/shoot guys, and guys with great advanced stat profiles. That's basically just a description of Chet Holmgren. Still think it'll be Jabari (maybe I just don't want to set myself up for disappointment) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CTMagicUK 1,475 Report post Posted June 10, 2022 These are two entirely contradictory tweets but sure why not, the first is legitimately true whereas the second is just me hoping for Chet so latching on to the news lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fan for too long 2 530 Report post Posted June 11, 2022 22 hours ago, TreyMachine said: Anyone else notice Jabari wore Laker colors for his shoes? #ConspiracyTheories #BringTheTinFoilHats His hands are freakish looking. And as far as the dunk totals go, that is more of offensive plays and coaching than the player’s ability. None of the top 5 can shoot from range like this guy. With our anemic 3 point shooting, picking him is a no brainer. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CTMagicUK 1,475 Report post Posted June 11, 2022 4 hours ago, fan for too long 2 said: His hands are freakish looking. And as far as the dunk totals go, that is more of offensive plays and coaching than the player’s ability. None of the top 5 can shoot from range like this guy. With our anemic 3 point shooting, picking him is a no brainer. 3 other Auburn players had more than 14 dunks on the season. In 2021 4 Auburn players had more than 14 dunks on the season. In 2020 3 Auburn players had more than 14 dunks on the season. Interested to hear how him not dunking is apparently his coaches fault when he's not holding back those other players. The dunk is the most efficient shot in basketball no coach is actively discouraging his players from doing it. He didn't dunk more than 14 times because he only took 63 total shots around the rim (an incredibly low number, only 15% of his offense was around the rim... The place where it's easiest to score), this isn't because of coaching it's because Jabari consistently settled for long 2s (he took 176 non rim 2s) because he doesn't have the handle or burst to get all the way to the rim. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CTMagicUK 1,475 Report post Posted June 11, 2022 I will say when you're a great 3 point shooter it sometimes doesn't matter that you're not super bursty. Tyrese Haliburton was a guy i didn't think would be as successful in the league because he showed a lack of ability to finish, very little burst and not a super creative handle in college but his shot is so good and he has added space in the NBA (that being said I still don't believe Hali will ever be an elite scorer just a complimentary scorer and elite passer). Jabari will probably benefit from added spacing and better guard play too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CTMagicUK 1,475 Report post Posted June 11, 2022 I just typed up a whole essay on Jabari but honestly I think people here are pretty sick of hearing my opinion and I'll just say if we do pick him I legitimately hope I'm wrong and he is the next KD and this number 1 option type that people believe he can be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CTMagicUK 1,475 Report post Posted June 11, 2022 18 hours ago, MagicFanDan said: Don’t know Dalen, can you provide a recap of him? Agree on Jalen Williams and Hardy. 6'7, 7'0 wingspan. A little skinny but not overly so. Incredible passer for someone who doesn't project to play PG, jumper looks pretty good, not like elite shooter but looks ok and had decent results (36% on 2 attempts per game). Quite disruptive defensively with his length. Not much of a scorer really doesn't have much of midrange game or anything. He's a bet on a pass/dribble/shoot wing. Less upside than Hardy and less polished than Williams as a scorer but a better defensive prospect than either to my eyes. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ball junkie 277 Report post Posted June 11, 2022 4 hours ago, CTMagicUK said: 3 other Auburn players had more than 14 dunks on the season. In 2021 4 Auburn players had more than 14 dunks on the season. In 2020 3 Auburn players had more than 14 dunks on the season. Interested to hear how him not dunking is apparently his coaches fault when he's not holding back those other players. The dunk is the most efficient shot in basketball no coach is actively discouraging his players from doing it. He didn't dunk more than 14 times because he only took 63 total shots around the rim (an incredibly low number, only 15% of his offense was around the rim... The place where it's easiest to score), this isn't because of coaching it's because Jabari consistently settled for long 2s (he took 176 non rim 2s) because he doesn't have the handle or burst to get all the way to the rim. Wow …nice data CT …yeah I’ve never believed the Durant hype …since Rashard Lewis is the comp he’s most compared too …I did some checking lol …but not to your level CT …Rashard played 9 seasons with the then Seattle SuperSonics …his early years there were about development but his last 6 seasons he was pretty much their best player …I didn’t check who his teammates were …anyway, in his 9 years there Seattle only made the playoffs once …and that year went out in the 2nd round …his career didn’t take off until he joined our Superstar Dwight. Since were critiquing guys games and you’re the biggest Holmgren fan on the planet …how do you perceive Chet’s ability to get all the way to the rim in the highest level of bb called the NBA ? …Givony just said we don’t know enough about him yet …curious . Edit: Since shooting and spacing is such a necessity these days in the NBA I checked Markelle Fultz ability from 3 …he’s only played about 130 games thus far in his career but he’s at 25 percent on that sample size https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/fultzma01.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CTMagicUK 1,475 Report post Posted June 11, 2022 55 minutes ago, ball junkie said: Wow …nice data CT …yeah I’ve never believed the Durant hype …since Rashard Lewis is the comp he’s most compared too …I did some checking lol …but not to your level CT …Rashard played 9 seasons with the then Seattle SuperSonics …his early years there were about development but his last 6 seasons he was pretty much their best player …I didn’t check who his teammates were …anyway, in his 9 years there Seattle only made the playoffs once …and that year went out in the 2nd round …his career didn’t take off until he joined our Superstar Dwight. Since were critiquing guys games and you’re the biggest Holmgren fan on the planet …how do you perceive Chet’s ability to get all the way to the rim in the highest level of bb called the NBA …Givony just said we don’t know enough about him yet …curious . I'm not the biggest Chet fan on the planet lol Chet's not an elite half court creator either to be honest. He has a better handle but he's also not super bursty and his lack of strength doesn't allow him to drive through guys and get to the rim. I've posted previously about how I think adding even a little bit of strength and muscle could help Chet in these areas but that's speculation because I'm not a scout or a fitness professional. The difference between Chet and Jabari offensively is Chet isn't entirely perimeter oriented. He's an elite finisher around the rim (84% on 125 attempts) and he doesn't need to get there by himself because he's elite as a roll man and as a finisher off other actions. (Despite that he still self created about half of his attempts at the rim which is pretty great) He's also a good passer which enables him to do things like grab and go in transition and find open shooters, hit cutters, pass out of short roll situations etc. And if he ever does become a good enough creator to draw doubles that'll help him massively. And while he's not a Jabari level shooter at all he does look to be a good shooter. The upshot being that Chet has a lot of ways to succeed on offense even if he's not the #1 option whereas Jabari has the shooting only really if he doesn't become the #1 guy. (EDIT: not to discredit the shooting at all, it's legitimately great and very important) And while I don't believe Chet has a large chance at being a #1 option on offense (I think he has a better chance than Jabari but I can't say for certain that's not just inherent bias because I tend to be drawn to prospects who show good passing and vision especially non PG sized ones), that's also not his biggest selling point, his biggest selling point is the fact he's a legitimate game changing rim protector. Also it's ok if neither Jabari or Chet are ever the #1 offensive creators on deep playoff teams. I could list off like 25 HOF calibre players who never managed that. It doesn't mean they can't be important pieces to us winning if we draft them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Section229 8 Report post Posted June 11, 2022 2 hours ago, CTMagicUK said: I just typed up a whole essay on Jabari but honestly I think people here are pretty sick of hearing my opinion and I'll just say if we do pick him I legitimately hope I'm wrong and he is the next KD and this number 1 option type that people believe he can be. Nobody here is tired of reading your opinion. Bring the essays brother. I agree with you on Jabari, too. I see a soft jump shooter with good size who doesn’t use it to do anything other than be a jump shooter. I want him to be the next Durant for us, but he’s not Durant. Durant has always been a killer who demands the ball and scores however he wants, when he wants. That will never be Jabari. The Rashard Lewis comps are more fair for him. He’ll be a great complimentary asset for any team because he can hit 3’s and guard multiple spots. That’s all he does, though. He’s a gimmick player. Great qualities to have in todays game, but Chet also does those very same things at an elite level, while also providing elite rim protection and elite finishing at the rim. Chet is just a better prospect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
