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8 hours ago, fan for too long 2 said:

That’s my guy!!!  I would take him with the Chicago pick and have zero regrets!

Isnt he a guard? it would be tough to draft him with Fultz, Hampton, Cole on the team. I would draft him and trade up or package him in trade for something. If he can play two guard maybe i'd draft him.

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41 minutes ago, Natesroom said:

Isnt he a guard? it would be tough to draft him with Fultz, Hampton, Cole on the team. I would draft him and trade up or package him in trade for something. If he can play two guard maybe i'd draft him.

He's probably not a lottery prospect anyway so we more than likely won't be using the Bulls pick on him. 

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4 hours ago, CTMagicUK said:

But Kispert isn't a 3 and D guy. He's a 3 point shooting specialist. Davion Mitchell and Jared Butler roasted him on switches every time down in the national championship game and those guys might end up only being bench guards in the league. If you want a guy that can score, shoot and play defense I can name 5 off the top of my head with more upside than Kispert with the Bulls pick. I've already mentioned 2 in this post. 

Franz Wagner is two and a half years younger than Kispert, bigger, and is better at virtually everything except the 3 ball. And he didn't play with a top 5 pick point guard and one of the best bigs in college basketball to get him open looks.

The "proven shooter" thing is the same argument people gave for Aaron Nesmith last year and he's currently shooting 32% from 3 and barely seeing the floor for a Boston team desperate for someone to contribute on the wing. 

Wagner is an average athlete. The age and length shouldn’t be a factor in the decision. Kispert is ready to contribute now as a elite shooter and with some development can improve his defence because he’s a max effort player. Length we’ve already got plenty of, so we don’t need another rangy forward come guard that doesn’t have a clear position. 

By no means am I saying draft Kispert because there are clearly other options, but the criticism of him as a selection is unwarranted. We need to add players that can shoot and score rather than keep going for projects that can’t because they are young, lengthy and athletic. 

I guess we could field a team of young, lengthy and athletic players that aim to shut teams down with a smothering defensive game. But if they struggle to shoot and score consistently they will never win in the modern NBA. Today’s game is based around shooting and scoring, and if we want to push up those standings, we need to get with the times and put together a roster that can shoot and score as well as play acceptable defense. 

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4 hours ago, Natesroom said:

Isnt he a guard? it would be tough to draft him with Fultz, Hampton, Cole on the team. I would draft him and trade up or package him in trade for something. If he can play two guard maybe i'd draft him.

He’s got the size to play the 2-guard, though whether his game would fit that role is debatable. Same goes for Fultz and Hampton, both have the size to play the 2-guard spot, but fit is debatable. 

With that said, at this point in our rebuild I wouldn’t discount any guard because we have Fultz, Hampton or Cole on the roster. If our FO believe there’s a franchise changing guard available, we should select them and work out what to do with those already on the roster at a later date. 

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9 minutes ago, Mike1989 said:

Wagner is an average athlete. The age and length shouldn’t be a factor in the decision. Kispert is ready to contribute now as a elite shooter and with some development can improve his defence because he’s a max effort player. Length we’ve already got plenty of, so we don’t need another rangy forward come guard that doesn’t have a clear position. 

By no means am I saying draft Kispert because there are clearly other options, but the criticism of him as a selection is unwarranted. We need to add players that can shoot and score rather than keep going for projects that can’t because they are young, lengthy and athletic. 

I guess we could field a team of young, lengthy and athletic players that aim to shut teams down with a smothering defensive game. But if they struggle to shoot and score consistently they will never win in the modern NBA. Today’s game is based around shooting and scoring, and if we want to push up those standings, we need to get with the times and put together a roster that can shoot and score as well as play acceptable defense. 

The age and length shouldn't be a factor in the decision? Of course they should. We're not drafting guys for who they are now but who they're going to be 3+ years down the line. Age is a factor in how much developing a player has left to do. And length is a huge factor in the NBA in general, to ignore it would be foolish. I'm not saying just draft long guys but when you have two comparable prospects (which to be fair I don't think Wagner and Kispert are) the guy who has better positional size is always going to be more valuable. Those extra inches might be the difference between blocking a shot or not, getting a shot over the defender or not etc. 

 

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This is a problem, in a R/Magic post we all redid the drafts in the last ten years. It was brutal, for all that were honest. I think the first pick should be BPA, but he second pick should be someone who has one obvious skill, Shooting or passing depending on our first pick. Later on in your post you say we should take a player who quote" Can score,shoot and play defense?"

Well, that's a number one pick. I think the issue is all the prospect are like 18 or 19. We have to choose a player who has at least one elite talent.

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6 hours ago, Mike1989 said:

He’s got the size to play the 2-guard, though whether his game would fit that role is debatable. Same goes for Fultz and Hampton, both have the size to play the 2-guard spot, but fit is debatable. 

With that said, at this point in our rebuild I wouldn’t discount any guard because we have Fultz, Hampton or Cole on the roster. If our FO believe there’s a franchise changing guard available, we should select them and work out what to do with those already on the roster at a later date. 

I’ve watched about every game of Ayo’s in college. He has improved every year and has gotten a lot bigger and stronger. He is clutch in winning moments. Great with the ball in fast breaks, damn near impossible to stop. A fantastic finisher at the rim. Also this year his court vision has really stood out. His weakness is going left,  Loyola took away his right hand drive and it hurt his play. Also the broken nose at end of the season didn’t help, as he was rolling before that injury. 

Dude has incredible heart in his play, I would not bet against this kid being a long time nba player.  And not a James Einnis type career lol.

i believe he is best suited as a 2 guard. But can run an offense when needed. Great pick and roll player and sweet midrange. 

My comp for him would be a more athletic Rip Hamilton. With better 3 point shooting. 

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On 4/7/2021 at 6:19 PM, CTMagicUK said:

The age and length shouldn't be a factor in the decision? Of course they should. We're not drafting guys for who they are now but who they're going to be 3+ years down the line. Age is a factor in how much developing a player has left to do. And length is a huge factor in the NBA in general, to ignore it would be foolish. I'm not saying just draft long guys but when you have two comparable prospects (which to be fair I don't think Wagner and Kispert are) the guy who has better positional size is always going to be more valuable. Those extra inches might be the difference between blocking a shot or not, getting a shot over the defender or not etc. 

 

Based off their listed heights, which we should alway take with a pinch of salt, there is 2 inches in it. Wagner might be taller, but he’s not a better shooter and he’s not a standout athlete. Kispert should transition well into a Joe Harris like role. That’s ideal for this team at the 2/3 spot, lights out shooter with a good IQ for team defence.

Length and age can be important, but we need contributors. We need to use that second pick smartly and identify someone that can come in and make a difference. For me, I’d rather draft the elite shooter and capable defensive talent than another project. 3 years down the line we’ll be wanting to be a play off team again and a talent like Kispert (a Harris/Bogdanovic like player) can be an ideal starter IF we have stars in other positions. 

Anyway, it’s good for us to have debate and options available for both our picks. 

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