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13 hours ago, CTMagicUK said:

Much rather take a swing at someone with more upside than draft Kispert in the lottery. 

I like Wagner a lot more than Kispert

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17 hours ago, CTMagicUK said:

Much rather take a swing at someone with more upside than draft Kispert in the lottery. 

Couldn't agree more. Until we have an absolute alpha, there is no need to draft safe players unless it's safe they're a generational talent lol. We have nothing to build around yet, so why rush.

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The Raptors are tanking hard. 

Gonna be interesting to see if Beal and Westbrook and Hachimura play tomorrow that will till u alot about the Wizards intentions 

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On 4/6/2021 at 8:24 AM, CTMagicUK said:

Much rather take a swing at someone with more upside than draft Kispert in the lottery. 

How many raw high upside picks actually make it anywhere near to their ceiling? If they have a solid floor, say a starting caliber 3-and-D, fair enough take a swing on that upside. But sometimes some of those prospects are too raw and never develop as expected. 

If we are taking someone with our second first round pick, then adding someone that should be  a good 3-and-D player like Kispert is a pretty useful pick. If he can contribute to a team like Joe Harris does at Brooklyn or Tyler Herro at Miami, then that’s a good selection with the second first rounder. 

The likes of Kuminga and Barnes may have more upside, but neither of them have a consistent outside shot and both players will require a lot of development to become starting caliber players, and some of that will be tied to their ability to develop a consistent shot.  

For me, in this rebuild we need to prioritise drafting players that can score, shoot and play defence. Yes there is a place to draft athletic, length and high upside players, but that can’t become the obsession like it has in the recent past. 

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1 hour ago, Mike1989 said:

How many raw high upside picks actually make it anywhere near to their ceiling? If they have a solid floor, say a starting caliber 3-and-D, fair enough take a swing on that upside. But sometimes some of those prospects are too raw and never develop as expected. 

If we are taking someone with our second first round pick, then adding someone that should be  a good 3-and-D player like Kispert is a pretty useful pick. If he can contribute to a team like Joe Harris does at Brooklyn or Tyler Herro at Miami, then that’s a good selection with the second first rounder. 

The likes of Kuminga and Barnes may have more upside, but neither of them have a consistent outside shot and both players will require a lot of development to become starting caliber players, and some of that will be tied to their ability to develop a consistent shot.  

For me, in this rebuild we need to prioritise drafting players that can score, shoot and play defence. Yes there is a place to draft athletic, length and high upside players, but that can’t become the obsession like it has in the recent past. 

But Kispert isn't a 3 and D guy. He's a 3 point shooting specialist. Davion Mitchell and Jared Butler roasted him on switches every time down in the national championship game and those guys might end up only being bench guards in the league. If you want a guy that can score, shoot and play defense I can name 5 off the top of my head with more upside than Kispert with the Bulls pick. I've already mentioned 2 in this post. 

Franz Wagner is two and a half years younger than Kispert, bigger, and is better at virtually everything except the 3 ball. And he didn't play with a top 5 pick point guard and one of the best bigs in college basketball to get him open looks.

The "proven shooter" thing is the same argument people gave for Aaron Nesmith last year and he's currently shooting 32% from 3 and barely seeing the floor for a Boston team desperate for someone to contribute on the wing. 

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1 hour ago, Mike1989 said:

How many raw high upside picks actually make it anywhere near to their ceiling? If they have a solid floor, say a starting caliber 3-and-D, fair enough take a swing on that upside. But sometimes some of those prospects are too raw and never develop as expected. 

If we are taking someone with our second first round pick, then adding someone that should be  a good 3-and-D player like Kispert is a pretty useful pick. If he can contribute to a team like Joe Harris does at Brooklyn or Tyler Herro at Miami, then that’s a good selection with the second first rounder. 

The likes of Kuminga and Barnes may have more upside, but neither of them have a consistent outside shot and both players will require a lot of development to become starting caliber players, and some of that will be tied to their ability to develop a consistent shot.  

For me, in this rebuild we need to prioritise drafting players that can score, shoot and play defence. Yes there is a place to draft athletic, length and high upside players, but that can’t become the obsession like it has in the recent past. 

Great post, this is exactly how I feel.
 

We will have so many young players developing. Why not draft an older player (Kispert) who is really good at a particular skill (3 point shooting) and focus our development attentions to our first pick and the other young players already on the roster. 

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