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1 minute ago, jmmagicfan said:

 

If he signed for the veteran minimum, he will still make almost exactly what he was scheduled, but the team saves $400K against the salary cap/luxury tax threshold. It kind of looks to me like he did us a favor by opting out. Considering he started the last 23 games for us, and played fairly well in the playoffs I don't actually hate this move. A cheap veteran that plays with hustle and passion, who can hold down the SF position until/unless Okeke is ready to take it from him doesn't seem like a bad call. 

I don’t hate this move in itself, it’s just extremely frustrating to continue to watch us do the bare minimum from a team building standpoint. 

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1 minute ago, jmmagicfan said:

 

If he signed for the veteran minimum, he will still make almost exactly what he was scheduled, but the team saves $400K against the salary cap/luxury tax threshold. It kind of looks to me like he did us a favor by opting out. Considering he started the last 23 games for us, and played fairly well in the playoffs I don't actually hate this move. A cheap veteran that plays with hustle and passion, who can hold down the SF position until/unless Okeke is ready to take it from him doesn't seem like a bad call. 

I don't hate the move. I hate how vanilla we are. This team as currently constructed is 8th-10th seed. If that's the case bring in some young guys that can be apart of the future. The results won't be much different.

With that said if we decide to trade Vuch or Founier to actually start looking at the future then I have no complaints. 

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18 minutes ago, All Eyes On Me said:

I don’t hate this move in itself, it’s just extremely frustrating to continue to watch us do the bare minimum from a team building standpoint. 

We are on the same page here.

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1 minute ago, All Eyes On Me said:

I don’t hate this move in itself, it’s just extremely frustrating to continue to watch us do the bare minimum from a team building standpoint. 

Probably need to settle in then, cause my bet is that they now sign MCW to part of the MLE. My guess would be somewhere in the $4.5M - $5.5M range. By my calculations, with the qualifying offer to Clark, and the signings of Bacon and Ennis we are now at 14 players, and we have enough room under the luxury tax line to go up to about $7M for a veteran PG to backup Fultz and Anthony. We all know that MCW is a Clifford favorite, and I think the front office is pretty happy with him too. MCW is also a better fit next to either Fultz or Anthony than DJ, and allows you to shift Fournier/Ross to spending some time at SF.  Also, continuity seems pretty important to this front office, and they seem to be focused on changing out slowly over time, while remaining competitive for a playoff spot, instead of trying to integrate a large number of new players at once. Having said that, the majority of guys currently on the roster have actually been with the team less than three years. Fultz didn't really play until last year, Anthony is a rookie, Bacon is new, Okeke is a rookie, Aminu was a free agent signing last year, and both Ennis and Clark were in-season pickups. Throw in that Birch was an addition (FA) their first year, and Bamba/Isaac were their first round picks, and the majority of this team is now Hammond/Weltman guys. Also, Clifford has to figure out how to integrate two rookies, a new to the team player (Bacon), and a returning from injury guy (Aminu) that he hadn't really figured out how to use prior to his injury. Assuming they try to resign MCW, and not DJ, that really only leaves Fournier, Ross, Gordon, and Vucevic from the team they inherited; so they have turned over most of the roster in three years, while still managing to make the playoffs twice in that time.

Fultz/Anthony/(MCW?)

Fournier/Ross/Bacon

Ennis/Okeke/Isaac(i)

Gordon/Aminu/Clark

Vucevic/Bamba/Birch

Kasim Mane (2WP) is listed as a SG on the nba.com draft prospect listing, but the write-up talks about him as a strong secondary ball handler who led RSEQ (Canadian version of the NCAA Division 1?) in assists last year.

They've managed to resign guys to descending salary contracts, which is extremely rare in the NBA; kept us out of the luxury tax (albeit barely); while making incremental moves. Do I wish we were making big, splashy moves to immediately improve to a top-3 seed; of course I do. We also have to look at the facts; we are a small market team, without the championship history of a San Antonio, several of our best players have decided to leave us high and dry to go elsewhere (LA), and that our primary draws are family entertainments (theme parks), Florida weather, and no state income tax. Not necessarily the things that draw your average young man (21-27) to want to come here, so the task of getting top Free Agents to even consider us is not easy. The idea of making a big, splashy move is attractive, but what happens when that star we just traded for decides they don't want to be in Orlando any more? When Shaq left, we got nothing for him, when Dwight left we got fairly low-ball offers because everyone knew he was injured and might never be the same player again. We complain about the moves that let Tobias Harris and Victor Oladipo go elsewhere and become all-stars; but they came about because we were trying to make (medium to big) win-now moves.

 

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6 hours ago, Jay Magic said:

Lol

I mean, Detroit not a great example for how making moves is a good thing. They've done some baffling **** so far this off-season. Let's wait and see how it shakes out but right now I don't think I'd trade our FO for theirs.

5 hours ago, Jay Magic said:

No its voided. Its off the books completely 

From what I understand we're still paying him it just doesn't count against the cap.

4 hours ago, All Eyes On Me said:

So, by my count we’ve got 14 on roster

Fultz/Fournier/Ennis/Gordon/Vucevic

Cole/Ross/Okeke/Aminu/Bamba

Bacon/Clark/Isaac/Birch

Gotta imagine the last spot is going to either Augustin or MCW. Hope we’re really really excited to watch Cole and Okeke, cause that’s the only new we’re gonna see this season. You’d think we’d be used to it by now.

13. Clark is an RFA still unless I missed some news. Have we had a number on the Ennis deal?

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Got to say it's pretty funny seeing Magic fans melt down (not really on here) over giving James Ennis a 1 year deal... 

It's such an inconsequential move with no long term ramifications. 

And the same goes for Bacon. These are small rotation moves that only impact this year why are people stressing?

 

 

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1 hour ago, CTMagicUK said:

Got to say it's pretty funny seeing Magic fans melt down (not really on here) over giving James Ennis a 1 year deal... 

It's such an inconsequential move with no long term ramifications. 

And the same goes for Bacon. These are small rotation moves that only impact this year why are people stressing?

 

 

They just want impactful moves and better than 1st round exit in the playoff. I understand. The moves don't move the nettle for them. 

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1 minute ago, LaVar said:

They just want impactful moves and better than 1st round exit in the playoff. I understand. The moves don't move the nettle for them. 

Sure. So do I. But we don't have the space for impactful free agent moves. Any impactful move we make wasn't going to come in free agency and the moves we did make have no negative impact on us making an impactful move via trade now or at the deadline. 

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7 minutes ago, CTMagicUK said:

Sure. So do I. But we don't have the space for impactful free agent moves. Any impactful move we make wasn't going to come in free agency and the moves we did make have no negative impact on us making an impactful move via trade now or at the deadline. 

Me and you know that bit, but that is why I  believe you see the comments. 

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