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15 minutes ago, TrueBlueDrew said:

Who do we think the Magic will select in this years draft? 

Will they keep both of their 2nd round picks?

We only have 1 second round pick. 

The players that fit most about what we like in players (that reasonably could be available near where we pick in the first round) are:

 

PG: Kira Lewis maybe

Wings: Devin Vassell, Isaac Okoro, Saddiq Bey, Jahmi'us Ramsey, Josh green, Tyler bey, maybe Leandro balmero, and maybe Aaron Nesmith though he isn't well rounded enough. 

Forwards: Jaden McDaniels, Patrick Williams, Jaden Smith

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The Front Office hasn't put much trust in their second round picks since being with Orlando. I understand it's a coin flip, but maybe we need to do a better job of scouting. 

Since 2005, here are some second round gems:

  • David Lee (#30, 2005)
  • Ersan Ilyasova (#36, 2005)
  • Monta Ellis (#40, 2005)
  • Louis Williams (#45, 2005)
  • Marcin Gortat (#57, 2005)
  • PJ Tucker (#35, 2006)
  • Paul Millsap (#47, 2006)
  • Glen Davis (#35, 2007)
  • Marc Gasol (#48, 2007)
  • DeAndre Jordan (#35, 2008)
  • Goran Dragic (#45, 2008)
  • Patrick Beverley (#42, 2009)
  • Danny Green (#46, 2009)
  • Patty Mills (#55, 2009)
  • Hassan Whiteside (#33, 2010)
  • Lance Stephenson (#40, 2010)
  • Jimmy Butler (#30, 2011)* technically first, but close enough
  • Bojan Bogdanovic (#31, 2011)
  • Isaiah Thomas (#60, 2011)
  • Jae Crowder (#34, 2012)
  • Draymond Green (#35, 2012)
  • Khris Middleton (#39, 2012)
  • Joe Harris (#33, 2014)
  • Spencer Dinwiddie (#38, 2014)
  • Nikola Jokic (#41, 2014)
  • Jordan Clarkson (#46, 2014)
  • Montrezl Harrell (#32, 2015)
  • Pat Connaughton (#41, 2015)
  • Ivica Zubac (#32, 2016)
  • Malcolm Brogdon (#36, 2016)
  • Josh Hart (#30, 2017)*
  • Dillon Brooks (#45, 2017)
  • Devonte Graham (#34, 2018)
  • Gary Trent Jr. (#37, 2018)
  • Hamidou Diallo (#45, 2018)

2019 is still TBD -- but still, that's a lot of talent that could be helping our team. Maybe it isn't scouting as much as it is player development because certain players thrive depending on where they land, I get that. 

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2 minutes ago, TrueBlueDrew said:

Don't we get something from LA this year? Or did I misunderstand that.

We traded it for Ennis

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4 minutes ago, Fultz4thewin said:

We traded it for Ennis

Yeah, I forgot about that. I guess I was thinking it was cash or just a cut and sign thing.

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1 hour ago, Fultz4thewin said:

We only have 1 second round pick. 

The players that fit most about what we like in players (that reasonably could be available near where we pick in the first round) are:

 

PG: Kira Lewis maybe

Wings: Devin Vassell, Isaac Okoro, Saddiq Bey, Jahmi'us Ramsey, Josh green, Tyler bey, maybe Leandro balmero, and maybe Aaron Nesmith though he isn't well rounded enough. 

Forwards: Jaden McDaniels, Patrick Williams, Jaden Smith

I’m not sure he comes out this year— if I had to guess, he probably returns to UF for another year— but Scottie Lewis seems like a guy WeltHam would be interested in. Long wingspan, elite athleticism and on ball defense with some interesting development on offense so far. I like him as a player, though he’ll be more of a project rather than a NBA-ready player from day one (which is probably why he returns to college). If he comes out, though, I could see Lewis being a Magic pick.

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3 minutes ago, TrueBlueDrew said:

The Front Office hasn't put much trust in their second round picks since being with Orlando. I understand it's a coin flip, but maybe we need to do a better job of scouting. 

Since 2005, here are some second round gems:

  • David Lee (#30, 2005)
  • Ersan Ilyasova (#36, 2005)
  • Monta Ellis (#40, 2005)
  • Louis Williams (#45, 2005)
  • Marcin Gortat (#57, 2005)
  • PJ Tucker (#35, 2006)
  • Paul Millsap (#47, 2006)
  • Glen Davis (#35, 2007)
  • Marc Gasol (#48, 2007)
  • DeAndre Jordan (#35, 2008)
  • Goran Dragic (#45, 2008)
  • Patrick Beverley (#42, 2009)
  • Danny Green (#46, 2009)
  • Patty Mills (#55, 2009)
  • Hassan Whiteside (#33, 2010)
  • Lance Stephenson (#40, 2010)
  • Jimmy Butler (#30, 2011)* technically first, but close enough
  • Bojan Bogdanovic (#31, 2011)
  • Isaiah Thomas (#60, 2011)
  • Jae Crowder (#34, 2012)
  • Draymond Green (#35, 2012)
  • Khris Middleton (#39, 2012)
  • Joe Harris (#33, 2014)
  • Spencer Dinwiddie (#38, 2014)
  • Nikola Jokic (#41, 2014)
  • Jordan Clarkson (#46, 2014)
  • Montrezl Harrell (#32, 2015)
  • Pat Connaughton (#41, 2015)
  • Ivica Zubac (#32, 2016)
  • Malcolm Brogdon (#36, 2016)
  • Josh Hart (#30, 2017)*
  • Dillon Brooks (#45, 2017)
  • Devonte Graham (#34, 2018)
  • Gary Trent Jr. (#37, 2018)
  • Hamidou Diallo (#45, 2018)

2019 is still TBD -- but still, that's a lot of talent that could be helping our team. Maybe it isn't scouting as much as it is player development because certain players thrive depending on where they land, I get that. 

I don't really think it's scouting. I think it's mostly random. 

Like it's wrong to think of Dillon Brooks as having a 100% chance of being Dillion Brooks. There's been dozens of guys with similar profiles and all of them have a 5% or 15% or whatever% of being starting caliber players and Dillon Brooks just happens to be the guy who hit. 

So we keep drafting guys based on similar profiles and sooner or later one will hit. 

 

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18 minutes ago, 3rd Quarter Collapse said:

I’m not sure he comes out this year— if I had to guess, he probably returns to UF for another year— but Scottie Lewis seems like a guy WeltHam would be interested in. Long wingspan, elite athleticism and on ball defense with some interesting development on offense so far. I like him as a player, though he’ll be more of a project rather than a NBA-ready player from day one (which is probably why he returns to college). If he comes out, though, I could see Lewis being a Magic pick.

I agree, I just think it'd be a mistake to pick him at 16 given the level of development he needs. 

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1 hour ago, Fultz4thewin said:

I don't really think it's scouting. I think it's mostly random. 

Like it's wrong to think of Dillon Brooks as having a 100% chance of being Dillion Brooks. There's been dozens of guys with similar profiles and all of them have a 5% or 15% or whatever% of being starting caliber players and Dillon Brooks just happens to be the guy who hit. 

So we keep drafting guys based on similar profiles and sooner or later one will hit. 

 

I hear you. You never really know you have a gem until they turn out to be one. 

However, look at our history compared to the names on the list above since 2005

  • Travis Diener (#38, 2005)
  • Martynas Andriuskevicius (#44, 2005)*
  • Lior Eliyahu (#44, 2006)*
  • Reyshawn Terry (#44, 2007)*
  • Stanley Robinson (#59, 2010)
  • DeAndre Liggins (#53, 2011)
  • Kyle O'Quinn (#49, 2012)
  • Romero Osby (#51, 2013)
  • Tyler Harvey (#51, 2015)
  • Stephen Zimmerman (#41, 2016)
  • Jake Layman (#47, 2016)*
  • Wes Iwundu (#33, 2017)
  • Ivan Rabb (#35, 2017)*
  • Melvin Frazier (#35, 2018)
  • Jarred Vanderbilt (#41, 2018)*

* = we eventually traded away that player. 

Now, who would've known what they would have become but for the most part, we've swung and missed a lot with 2nd round picks and eventually just traded them away. 

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First round picks aren't that better lol, maybe we just suck at drafting

  • 2005 - Fran Vazquez (#11)
  • 2006 - JJ Redick (#11)
  • 2007 - 
  • 2008 - Courtney Lee (#22)
  • 2009 - 
  • 2010 - Daniel Orton (#29)
  • 2011 - 
  • 2012 - Andrew Nicholson (#19)
  • 2013 - Victor Oladipo (#2)
  • 2014 - Aaron Gordon (#4), Dario Saric (#12)*/Elfrid Payton (#10)
  • 2015 - Mario Hezonja (#5)
  • 2016 - Domantas Sabonis (#11)*
  • 2017 - Jonathan Isaac (#6), Anzejs Pasecniks (#25)*
  • 2018 - Mohamed Bamba (#6)
  • 2019 - Chuma Okeke (#16)

In 2008 - Nicolas Batum, George Hill, and Serge Ibaka were all right after Courtney Lee. 

In 2010 - Hassan Whiteside instead of Orton all day

In 2012 - Fournier was #20, but looking back hard to not notice Draymond at 35, Middleton at 39

In 2014 - Zach LaVine, Jusuf Nurkic were both taken shortly after #12

In 2015 - Did we think Hezonja was Luka? Myles Turner, Justise Winslow, Devin freakin Booker, Kelly Oubre, 

In 2016 - Taurean Prince, Caris LaVert...or just not made that stupid trade and kept Dipo and Sabonis :(

In 2017 - could've picked Kyle Kuzma or Josh Hart

 

I get playing the "what-if game" doesn't help. But I think it does show a consistency in making bad decisions as an organization (multiple front offices since 2005) when it comes to drafting players. 

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Only interested in This front office. The mistakes of the previous FO isn’t on Jeff/John. 
 

JI-when healthy impacts the game. All defensive level talent. 
 

Wes-he’s in the league still. 
 

Bamba-TBD

MFJ-TBD

OKeke-excited about the way he’ll fit. TBD

 

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