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1 minute ago, fan for too long 2 said:

Good one true except I’d have a big thorn to stab his big toe. Lol then watch him hop around like a *****h 

Hahaha!!! Stop, Fan, you're cracking me up!

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So the NBA last 2 minute review of the game says there were a couple key mistakes by the refs, including a missed foul on Evans missed layup at the end.

As if this loss wasn't already frustrating enough. 

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4 hours ago, The Boss said:

So the NBA last 2 minute review of the game says there were a couple key mistakes by the refs, including a missed foul on Evans missed layup at the end.

As if this loss wasn't already frustrating enough. 

He would've missed at least 1 free throw, like always

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10 hours ago, The Boss said:

So the NBA last 2 minute review of the game says there were a couple key mistakes by the refs, including a missed foul on Evans missed layup at the end.

As if this loss wasn't already frustrating enough. 

I really don’t see the point of the 2 minute reports. “The refs missed this call here that definitely could have impacted the result of the game. We’re not going to do anything about it or hold them accountable, and this same crew are probably going to make a similar mistake again soon, but accept our letter that says they screwed up and enjoy your controversial loss.” Like really, who does the 2 minute report benefit? Either get rid of it or do something when the results of games get skewed by bad referees.

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Didn't see the game live, just watched it yesterday afternoon.  This thread would've had me believe Evan missed like a breakaway uncontested layup.  Turns out he was contested by two people and as we learned later, fouled.  And Evan sure as hell is not the dude you want trying to thread a pass to AG between three defenders, so that wasn't an option like some would have preferred.

Should he have made the shot? Probably. Was it easy? No.

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3 minutes ago, ML6 said:

Didn't see the game live, just watched it yesterday afternoon.  This thread would've had me believe Evan missed like a breakaway uncontested layup.  Turns out he was contested by two people and as we learned later, fouled.  And Evan sure as hell is not the dude you want trying to thread a pass to AG between three defenders, so that wasn't an option like some would have preferred.

Should he have made the shot? Probably. Was it easy? No.

Yeah, I even think it was the right pass by MCW, especially with how bad AG was on offense. Just an unfortunate result.

Now, if Aaron goes better than 3 - 8 from the line, we’re having a whole different conversation about this game.

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As I’ve said before, if AG hits his 3s at a good clip 36%+ it’s a game changer, otherwise it hurts us. I had a certain dissertation from a person that remains nameless about AG is a perfect compliment to JI which is ridiculous when both forward spots are shooting subpar from 3; (pretty much everyone but Evan), but he criticizes everyone; no big deal. When AG is shooting  28/30% like he has all season it makes life harder on everyone and he was shooting back to his mean last game; it doesn’t work against good teams.  It’s very obvious we need people that can shoot, otherwise  the game plan for other teams is a lot easier. 

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3 hours ago, Magicpassion said:

As I’ve said before, if AG hits his 3s at a good clip 36%+ it’s a game changer, otherwise it hurts us. I had a certain dissertation from a person that remains nameless about AG is a perfect compliment to JI which is ridiculous when both forward spots are shooting subpar from 3; (pretty much everyone but Evan), but he criticizes everyone; no big deal. When AG is shooting  28/30% like he has all season it makes life harder on everyone and he was shooting back to his mean last game; it doesn’t work against good teams.  It’s very obvious we need people that can shoot, otherwise  the game plan for other teams is a lot easier. 

Grow up

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On 3/2/2020 at 1:06 PM, Magicpassion said:

As I’ve said before, if AG hits his 3s at a good clip 36%+ it’s a game changer, otherwise it hurts us. I had a certain dissertation from a person that remains nameless about AG is a perfect compliment to JI which is ridiculous when both forward spots are shooting subpar from 3; (pretty much everyone but Evan), but he criticizes everyone; no big deal. When AG is shooting  28/30% like he has all season it makes life harder on everyone and he was shooting back to his mean last game; it doesn’t work against good teams.  It’s very obvious we need people that can shoot, otherwise  the game plan for other teams is a lot easier. 

It looks very much like Gordon is going to be up near 33% or higher by the end of the season, unless he's out for an extended period, which is an utter shock considering his start. He did the same thing last year, where he started out struggling, but pulled it together late season, and he seems on his way to that again with a 39% February. If you look at his month-to-month numbers by year, it's clear he's getting more consistent from outside, if not as quickly as we'd all like. There's every reason to believe he can be that 36% guy. But he'll be the 36% guy who shoots 30% one month and 40% the next. Gordon's shooting is not really a problem for this team, long-term, so long as he maintains the same level of improvement over the next couple seasons, which is reasonable to bank on. Jonathan Isaac is just 22, and his shot looks good. It's hard to say what his % would be if he was healthy this year. Were November and December down months? He certainly shot better after the All-Star break last year, though he still wasn't consistent yet. But good NBA minds and shot-coaches seem to think he can be a very good 3-point shooter with his stroke in time, so it's reasonable to bank on that.

 

The point with Gordon/Isaac is how well their DEVELOPED games complement each other. Gordon is already almost there, really. He needs to get more consistent, but he's already able to put together months of consistently good shooting. Just needs to get those couple of 27% months up to 30%, and we're golden. He absolutely can do that, and he seems serious about it. Isaac is really in the same boat, but younger, so it may take time, or it may just click; hard to say. But the rest of their games complement each other so well it has to be looked at. Defensively, Gordon is the perfect fit next to Isaac, especially so long as we're saddled with Vuc and Fournier, guys who struggle switching. Isaac was looking like a future DPOY when he went down, swatting shots and getting in the passing lanes, and Gordon is a very good player to have against an opposing team's best scorer; but beyond that, it's the things that don't show up in the box score that make these two fit so well. Take the Spurs game recently. Lyles put up a ton of points, because Gordon was too busy having to keep one eye on having to rotate to the basket if Vuc/Fournier got torched. With Isaac in the game, not only does Gordon not have to worry about covering the basket (because of Isaac's elite rotating and swatting skills), but he can be the guy who guards DeRozan in the first place, while Isaac's length allows him to do what Gordon was trying to do without losing Lyles. With no Gordon, Isaac can't afford to play as free defensively, because Gordon's incredible ability to switch onto everyone won't cover for him chasing a block. Now add a fully realized Bamba into the mix, and you see the potential. a Defense anchored around Isaac/Gordon is scary good.

Offensively, they complement each other very well also. Gordon has shown himself to be a terrific cutter since Markelle arrived. Isaac has that ability as well. Gordon is becoming a terrific passer as well, both to cutters and to spot-up shooters off the drive. Isaac benefits from Gordon's ability to crash and get Isaac open outside shots over smaller guys (because Gordon's proficiency around the basket and power getting to the basket mean you have to put the smaller forward on Isaac), and also his vision when Isaac cuts. Without Gordon, or someone who can do what he does, the only time Isaac is going to get shots - aside from on the break - is from Markelle collapsing the lane. He doesn't move particularly well along the perimeter to get shots off of Vuc passing from the paint, and he's not likely to be a pull-up shooter off of screens or an iso scorer. Gordon and Isaac are also both scary on the break, especially together.

Yes, we need shooters. Whatever SG we go with moving forward has to be an elite shooter, because the rest of these guys are not going to be great, most likely (still a chance for Isaac - and Bamba, really; just don't see much room for GREAT with Gordon/Fultz). Whatever our long-term plans at C are, the guy has to be able to shoot (hopefully that's Bamba). But pretending that Gordon and Isaac can't play together is absurd. They're a nightmare together defensively, and both can be serviceable shooters offensively. We need them to be decent shooters, but that's all. And they both should get there.

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Thank you Justin for iterating my sentiments more or less. When you have two guys capable of elite defense guarding multiple positions, it’s almost silly NOT to play them together. Being average three point shooters is more than enough for guys who bring so much else to the table with room to grow. 

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On 3/3/2020 at 8:34 PM, Justin Jaudon said:

It looks very much like Gordon is going to be up near 33% or higher by the end of the season, unless he's out for an extended period, which is an utter shock considering his start. He did the same thing last year, where he started out struggling, but pulled it together late season, and he seems on his way to that again with a 39% February. If you look at his month-to-month numbers by year, it's clear he's getting more consistent from outside, if not as quickly as we'd all like. There's every reason to believe he can be that 36% guy. But he'll be the 36% guy who shoots 30% one month and 40% the next. Gordon's shooting is not really a problem for this team, long-term, so long as he maintains the same level of improvement over the next couple seasons, which is reasonable to bank on. Jonathan Isaac is just 22, and his shot looks good. It's hard to say what his % would be if he was healthy this year. Were November and December down months? He certainly shot better after the All-Star break last year, though he still wasn't consistent yet. But good NBA minds and shot-coaches seem to think he can be a very good 3-point shooter with his stroke in time, so it's reasonable to bank on that.

 

The point with Gordon/Isaac is how well their DEVELOPED games complement each other. Gordon is already almost there, really. He needs to get more consistent, but he's already able to put together months of consistently good shooting. Just needs to get those couple of 27% months up to 30%, and we're golden. He absolutely can do that, and he seems serious about it. Isaac is really in the same boat, but younger, so it may take time, or it may just click; hard to say. But the rest of their games complement each other so well it has to be looked at. Defensively, Gordon is the perfect fit next to Isaac, especially so long as we're saddled with Vuc and Fournier, guys who struggle switching. Isaac was looking like a future DPOY when he went down, swatting shots and getting in the passing lanes, and Gordon is a very good player to have against an opposing team's best scorer; but beyond that, it's the things that don't show up in the box score that make these two fit so well. Take the Spurs game recently. Lyles put up a ton of points, because Gordon was too busy having to keep one eye on having to rotate to the basket if Vuc/Fournier got torched. With Isaac in the game, not only does Gordon not have to worry about covering the basket (because of Isaac's elite rotating and swatting skills), but he can be the guy who guards DeRozan in the first place, while Isaac's length allows him to do what Gordon was trying to do without losing Lyles. With no Gordon, Isaac can't afford to play as free defensively, because Gordon's incredible ability to switch onto everyone won't cover for him chasing a block. Now add a fully realized Bamba into the mix, and you see the potential. a Defense anchored around Isaac/Gordon is scary good.

Offensively, they complement each other very well also. Gordon has shown himself to be a terrific cutter since Markelle arrived. Isaac has that ability as well. Gordon is becoming a terrific passer as well, both to cutters and to spot-up shooters off the drive. Isaac benefits from Gordon's ability to crash and get Isaac open outside shots over smaller guys (because Gordon's proficiency around the basket and power getting to the basket mean you have to put the smaller forward on Isaac), and also his vision when Isaac cuts. Without Gordon, or someone who can do what he does, the only time Isaac is going to get shots - aside from on the break - is from Markelle collapsing the lane. He doesn't move particularly well along the perimeter to get shots off of Vuc passing from the paint, and he's not likely to be a pull-up shooter off of screens or an iso scorer. Gordon and Isaac are also both scary on the break, especially together.

Yes, we need shooters. Whatever SG we go with moving forward has to be an elite shooter, because the rest of these guys are not going to be great, most likely (still a chance for Isaac - and Bamba, really; just don't see much room for GREAT with Gordon/Fultz). Whatever our long-term plans at C are, the guy has to be able to shoot (hopefully that's Bamba). But pretending that Gordon and Isaac can't play together is absurd. They're a nightmare together defensively, and both can be serviceable shooters offensively. We need them to be decent shooters, but that's all. And they both should get there.

That's a good post Justin, my concern with it is that there may be too much overlap of their strengths: being defense. I question are we better served by allowing JI his best suited position at the 4 and try and trade for a real small forward instead of AG that can Shoot, drive and defend reasonably well. It may make us more well rounded. I will say AG is looking better and playing to his strength more. Still, with all that being said most experts still think we are an unbalanced team. I'm warming to AG with recent play and maybe Fournier is the guy to move as the ball movement has been stellar last couple of games without Fournier.

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