2019-2020 Official Regular Season Thread

[hootie249 293]

19 hours ago, Jay Magic said:

KAT hasn't won a game since 27th November surely he becomes disgruntled soon

    He just signed his contract. He is also a big part of the losing.I'm not a stats guy but supposedly he is really bad on defense. 

[ML6 520]

6 minutes ago, Just a regular Magic fan said:

Is it the tweaks Clifford did with our offense and Vooch being further away from the basket the reason why? It seems he is uncomfortable and is even having trouble with the bread and butter shots he had before. 

Yeah his 2P% is also 2nd worst for Cs, again just barely ahead of Portis.  Couple this with his atrocious defense and, well, here we are.

[Fultz4thewin 2,464]

9 minutes ago, Just a regular Magic fan said:

Is it the tweaks Clifford did with our offense and Vooch being further away from the basket the reason why? It seems he is uncomfortable and is even having trouble with the bread and butter shots he had before. 

This year he's shooting 34% on open and wide open two point jumpers and 35% on open and wide open three point jumpers.

Last year he shot 46% and 36% respectively. That's the difference. 

[magicblue 315]

3 minutes ago, Fultz4thewin said:

This year he's shooting 34% on open and wide open two point jumpers and 35% on open and wide open three point jumpers.

Last year he shot 46% and 36% respectively. That's the difference. 

Vuc clearly has just not been as focused this season, and we all know exactly why. Cliff called him out in training camp and he's been inconsistent all season. This was predictable, we saw it the last time Vuc was in a contract year, got paid, and then coasted

[The Neighborhood Bully 266]

14 minutes ago, ML6 said:

Yeah his 2P% is also 2nd worst for Cs, again just barely ahead of Portis.  Couple this with his atrocious defense and, well, here we are.

fwiw...his drtg is better than everyone else on the team with similar minutes except Isaac

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Per 100 Pos

Rk		Age	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	2P	2PA	2P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS		ORtg	DRtg ▲
1	Mo Bamba	21	44	0	674	7.1	15.5	.455	1.9	5.7	.329	5.2	9.7	.530	1.5	2.2	.667	4.9	11.5	16.4	2.1	1.2	4.4	2.5	6.0	17.5		106	101
2	Jonathan Isaac	22	32	32	949	7.7	16.6	.463	1.5	4.7	.330	6.1	11.9	.515	2.9	3.8	.767	2.9	8.5	11.5	2.3	2.6	4.0	2.4	4.1	19.8		105	101
3	Josh Magette	30	8	0	38	6.4	19.3	.333	1.3	5.2	.250	5.2	14.2	.364	1.3	2.6	.500	1.3	6.4	7.7	6.4	3.9	1.3	6.4	5.2	15.5		71	102
4	Melvin Frazier	23	13	0	47	6.3	17.7	.353	4.2	7.3	.571	2.1	10.4	.200	2.1	4.2	.500	1.0	3.1	4.2	1.0	4.2	2.1	2.1	8.3	18.8		91	102
5	Nikola Vučević	29	37	37	1169	11.4	25.8	.442	2.6	7.4	.356	8.8	18.4	.477	3.5	4.3	.814	4.2	12.9	17.1	5.4	1.5	1.3	2.1	3.6	28.9		111	104
6	Al-Farouq Aminu	29	18	2	380	3.2	11.1	.291	1.2	4.6	.250	2.1	6.4	.320	2.5	3.7	.655	3.1	8.1	11.2	2.7	2.3	1.0	2.2	3.5	10.1		88	105
7	Michael Carter-Williams	28	25	0	417	6.8	16.6	.411	1.1	4.3	.243	5.8	12.2	.471	3.9	5.2	.750	2.7	6.3	9.0	6.5	2.8	1.2	2.7	4.8	18.6		104	105
8	B.J. Johnson	24	6	0	41	6.0	19.1	.313	1.2	7.2	.167	4.8	12.0	.400	2.4	2.4	1.000	1.2	6.0	7.2	2.4	2.4	0.0	3.6	0.0	15.5		75	108
9	Amile Jefferson	26	17	0	74	3.3	8.6	.385	0.0	0.0		3.3	8.6	.385	3.3	9.3	.357	6.0	8.6	14.6	2.6	0.7	2.0	2.0	4.6	9.9		95	108
10	Khem Birch	27	34	22	723	3.5	7.3	.486	0.0	0.1	.000	3.5	7.2	.491	2.6	4.4	.600	4.5	6.8	11.3	2.3	1.1	1.4	1.5	4.4	9.7		115	108
11	Terrence Ross	28	46	0	1198	8.6	21.8	.395	4.2	12.8	.326	4.4	9.0	.493	3.8	4.5	.838	0.4	5.2	5.6	1.9	2.0	0.6	1.8	2.9	25.2		103	108
12	Markelle Fultz	21	47	42	1298	8.6	18.8	.459	0.8	3.1	.256	7.8	15.7	.499	2.8	3.8	.723	0.9	5.4	6.3	8.2	2.3	0.3	3.5	3.4	20.8		101	108
13	Aaron Gordon	24	42	42	1331	7.8	18.7	.418	1.7	5.9	.286	6.1	12.7	.480	3.2	4.8	.664	2.6	8.5	11.1	4.5	1.1	0.8	2.4	3.1	20.5		102	108
14	Wesley Iwundu	25	34	10	620	4.4	11.8	.376	1.3	4.0	.320	3.2	7.8	.404	3.6	4.4	.821	1.6	5.5	7.1	2.8	1.7	0.8	1.3	4.0	13.8		107	109
15	Evan Fournier	27	47	47	1477	10.4	22.4	.464	4.0	10.1	.396	6.4	12.4	.520	4.4	5.4	.817	0.3	3.8	4.1	5.2	1.6	0.3	3.1	3.9	29.3		111	110
16	Gary Clark	25	5	0	69	5.7	11.4	.500	2.8	7.8	.364	2.8	3.6	.800	0.0	0.0		5.7	7.1	12.8	0.0	0.0	1.4	1.4	1.4	14.2		122	111
17	D.J. Augustin	32	39	6	1013	6.2	15.8	.393	2.3	6.6	.346	3.9	9.2	.426	5.5	6.3	.877	0.7	3.9	4.6	8.9	1.3	0.0	2.6	2.1	20.2		114	111
18	Vic Law	24	2	0	4	0.0	12.3	.000	0.0	12.3	.000	0.0	0.0		0.0	24.5	.000	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0		0	117

 

[Fultz4thewin 2,464]

3 minutes ago, The Neighborhood Bully said:

fwiw...his drtg is better than everyone else on the team with similar minutes except Isaac

 

Basketball reference defensive rating is not real defensive rating. It takes how the team does on defense when he's on the court and adds in defensive box score stats for adjustments. So in NBA.com defensive rating if all of the starters played the exact same minutes at the exact same time everyone would have the exact same defensive rating. But in basketball reference they try to assign credit or blame for what happens on the court related to who gets blocks, steals, and defensive rebounds. 

 

So because Vucevic gets a ton of defensive rebounds he's always going to be looked at favorably in basketball reference defensive metrics. 

[Jay Magic 1,239]

3 hours ago, Mauro Pedrosa said:

Sabonis

Edit: Because Sabonis can actually work with a guy like Myles Turner. You can call either of them a 4. I don't think Vuc can do that

Fair enough. Good point. I just feel Vooch at his best ... Is better than Sabonis at his best. Especially offensively.

[ML6 520]

5 minutes ago, Jay Magic said:

Fair enough. Good point. I just feel Vooch at his best ... Is better than Sabonis at his best. Especially offensively.

I strongly disagree with this.

[Fultz4thewin 2,464]

1 minute ago, ML6 said:

I strongly disagree with this.

I don't know. Vucevic at his best on offense is like prime Dirk and Vucevic on his best on defense blows up pick and rolls and does a pretty good job job at rim protection. 

The problem is he never does both at the same time and hasn't done either more than 20 games total in a season. 

[ML6 520]

Yes i am probably being biased by the fact that we never see "his best", I'll admit that.

[Fultz4thewin 2,464]

2 hours ago, Fultz4thewin said:

Your main premise is "the team as it's currently constructed is going nowhere" that's inherently a short term problem because the hope of this franchise and everything from a long term perspective is fultz and Isaac (and Bamba once he shows ability to be a starting player). Those are all guys on rookie contracts and a few years away from reliably carrying a team. 

So roster construction isn't all that important today because we're not sitting here thinking "we just need to add one piece to this team to become a contender". Our goals are entirely "get fultz and Isaac ready to carry us when it's time and build the best team around them as possible". 

 

Now there's two schools of thought here for how to accomplish this

1. Throw guys into the deep end and see if they'll sink or swim. Give them all the minutes they can handle and eliminate threats to those minutes. There's a lot of evidence lately that this method doesn't work and I think a lot of the flaws in Vucevic and fournier's games come from developing bad habits in losses. 

2. Give guys small roles and let them earn more on good teams over time. Make them face consequences of failure. Lot of good players today coming out of this philosophy whether intentionally or as a matter of circumstance. Lowry, George, Kawhi, siakam, Butler, etc. 

 

So back to the first point. I don't expect Fournier and Vucevic to be on this team in two years. They're just a means to an end. It doesn't matter if the team as currently constructed is going nowhere because the team as currently constructed is a short term entity. 

Also to add to this, my entire basis of trust with this front office is built on the idea that they went into last summer and Vucevic's agent came to them with multiple offers from other teams and basically said "Vucevic wants to stay here, he'll take a slight discount because he has a newborn and doesn't want to leave Orlando" and the front office used that as an indicator of future trade value because there was an actual market for Vucevic at his salary figure. So we're able to retain a tradable asset to keep us afloat with the fultz uncertainty and Bamba coming off injury. 

Everything about this front office suggests a well thought out, methodical, patient approach to every single thing they do so I think they've earned that trust. 

[ML6 520]

NBA denied our request for a disabled player exception for Isaac.  Put on the tin foil hats boys.