TheImmortalPatBurke! 28 Report post Posted April 24, 2019 14 minutes ago, ?4thewin said: He's typically not a high volume player. 15.3 fga/game over the past 3 years He's not inefficient at all. .523 eFG% over the past 3 years He's one of the best perimeter defenders in the league. All great points. I just don't see it with him turning 29 in June and 3 years left on a pretty hefty contract. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted April 24, 2019 29 minutes ago, TheImmortalPatBurke! said: All great points. I just don't see it with him turning 29 in June and 3 years left on a pretty hefty contract. Yeah. I agree with that. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheImmortalPatBurke! 28 Report post Posted April 24, 2019 Is it to much to ask for people that downvote me to simply put their name on it? Let's have a respectful debate. 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted April 24, 2019 Ok, I had some time so here's some math. Vuc has a $19,875,000 cap hold right now Ross has a 15,750,000 cap hold Our first round pick has a $2,176,000 cap hold Every open roster spot to get us up to the 12 man roster minimum has a $897,158 cap hold We have a $333,333 cap hold for stretching CJ Watson The MLE has a $9,246,000 cap hold. If we need our cap space we renounce the MLE but that becomes a $5,700,000 room exception Im pretty sure the most we can offer Ross in an extension today is something in the 4/56 ballpark. That's broken down like: 12,600,000, 13,600,000 14,600,000 15,600,000 The salary cap should be near $109,000,000 The luxury tax should be near $132,000,000 Right now if we let every free agent go but keep vucevic and Ross we have $123,402,581 on the books entering free agency with that number dropping 7-10 million because neither vucevic nor Ross are getting a first year salary exceeding their cap hold. If we keep Birch, Ross, and let every other free agent go we have $105,347,066 on the books which should drop to 102m once Ross' cap number is reduced but would also jump back up because Birch's cap hold is only 1.8m If we keep Birch and let everyone else go we have $90,493,225 on the books. Stretching Mozgov turns his 1 year 16,720,000 into a 3 year contract worth $5,573,333. In most cases though it also adds another $896,158 for an open roster spot. So basically that turns the previous scenario with 18.5 million in cap space into 28.5 million in cap space. The most cap room I can conceivably come up with results from letting every free agent walk, stretching Mozgov, trading fournier and the 16th pick for JR Smith's partially guaranteed contract worth $3,870,000. That gets us down to $65,660,704 on the books. That gets us $43,339,296 in cap room. So basically, it's most likely that we end up just having the MLE this summer unless we really love a guy who definitely wants to come here. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magicfan1987 266 Report post Posted April 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, ?4thewin said: Ok, I had some time so here's some math. Vuc has a $19,875,000 cap hold right now Ross has a 15,750,000 cap hold Our first round pick has a $2,176,000 cap hold Every open roster spot to get us up to the 12 man roster minimum has a $897,158 cap hold We have a $333,333 cap hold for stretching CJ Watson The MLE has a $9,246,000 cap hold. If we need our cap space we renounce the MLE but that becomes a $5,700,000 room exception Im pretty sure the most we can offer Ross in an extension today is something in the 4/56 ballpark. That's broken down like: 12,600,000, 13,600,000 14,600,000 15,600,000 The salary cap should be near $109,000,000 The luxury tax should be near $132,000,000 Right now if we let every free agent go but keep vucevic and Ross we have $123,402,581 on the books entering free agency with that number dropping 7-10 million because neither vucevic nor Ross are getting a first year salary exceeding their cap hold. If we keep Birch, Ross, and let every other free agent go we have $105,347,066 on the books which should drop to 102m once Ross' cap number is reduced but would also jump back up because Birch's cap hold is only 1.8m If we keep Birch and let everyone else go we have $90,493,225 on the books. Stretching Mozgov turns his 1 year 16,720,000 into a 3 year contract worth $5,573,333. In most cases though it also adds another $896,158 for an open roster spot. So basically that turns the previous scenario with 18.5 million in cap space into 28.5 million in cap space. The most cap room I can conceivably come up with results from letting every free agent walk, stretching Mozgov, trading fournier and the 16th pick for JR Smith's partially guaranteed contract worth $3,870,000. That gets us down to $65,660,704 on the books. That gets us $43,339,296 in cap room. So basically, it's most likely that we end up just having the MLE this summer unless we really love a guy who definitely wants to come here. Ok sweet so were getting jr Smith 2 superstars to play with ag issac bamba and fultz. What's not to like? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted April 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, Magicfan1987 said: Ok sweet so were getting jr Smith 2 superstars to play with ag issac bamba and fultz. What's not to like? We'd waive Smith. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheNameIsOrlando 310 Report post Posted April 24, 2019 Wait what's the rules for being in between the salary cap and luxury cap? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted April 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, TheNameIsOrlando said: Wait what's the rules for being in between the salary cap and luxury cap? The salary cap is the limit of money you can offer free agents that you don't own the rights to. Money above the salary cap is allocated to exceptions to the rules. Resigning your own players. Using the MLE. Trading a player worth 17 million for another player worth 20 million. Signing a draft pick. Going above the luxury tax means nothing except you start getting penalized for spending too much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
argentinaworldchampion 32 Report post Posted April 24, 2019 If we get rid of Fournier I would consider it a successful offseason but ideally let vuc and ross walk, trade Fournier and stretch mozgov and we can have something going 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheNameIsOrlando 310 Report post Posted April 24, 2019 23 minutes ago, ?4thewin said: The salary cap is the limit of money you can offer free agents that you don't own the rights to. Money above the salary cap is allocated to exceptions to the rules. Resigning your own players. Using the MLE. Trading a player worth 17 million for another player worth 20 million. Signing a draft pick. Going above the luxury tax means nothing except you start getting penalized for spending too much. Well that's depressing. I now understand why you said our improvement will come internally rather than through FAs. How likely do you think it is that we trade Fournier for a young but unproven wing similar to how we discovered Tobias? Which would allow us to go after guys like JJ or Green as a replacement while also using the young guy to help Ross out. (This also assumes we let Vuch walk) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheNameIsOrlando 310 Report post Posted April 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, alwaystragic said: If we get rid of Fournier I would consider it a successful offseason but ideally let vuc and ross walk, trade Fournier and stretch mozgov and we can have something going Relying on 28 mil to replace 3 of our top 5 best offensive guys is not ideal. In fact it's probably a terrible idea. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheImmortalPatBurke! 28 Report post Posted April 24, 2019 To not set myself up for dissapointment I have concluded that unless Vuc gets a crazy offer from someone else he is likely going to be back. I have never wanted to be more wrong! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites