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29 minutes ago, Odin said:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/a-better-way-to-evaluate-nba-defense/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app

An interesting different measurement of defense that tries to put the NBA tracking stats into context. It still isn't perfect, but helps paint another picture of defense.

This is pretty interesting. 

Seems like it skews to guys who chase a ton of blocks though. 

Like Mitchell Robinson went after every single shot which teams began to exploit. We went at him every possession and made him vacate the rim and just dumped the ball behind him. So Robinson was a pretty bad defender overall despite historic block numbers (though it's not like that's not correctable in time). 

Similar situation with Whiteside, McGee, and Noel. 

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16 minutes ago, Jay Magic said:

 

 

Aren’t yo supposed to be sore after working out and playing a game after a lay-off? Geezus this is ridiculous. This new generation is a bunch of pu***s

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My favorite is Jarrett Culver being held out of SL for "rest".  Guy hasn't played since April.

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Just now, fan for too long 2 said:

Aren’t yo supposed to be sore after working out and playing a game after a lay-off? Geezus this is ridiculous. This new generation is a bunch of pu***s

Agree but it’s kind of in line with how the Magic have managed injuries (or lack thereof) for years now. If someone on this team has a bruise you best believe they are sitting out for at least a game. 

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12 minutes ago, ?4thewin said:

This is pretty interesting. 

Seems like it skews to guys who chase a ton of blocks though. 

 Like Mitchell Robinson went after every single shot which teams began to exploit. We went at him every possession and made him vacate the rim and just dumped the ball behind him. So Robinson was a pretty bad defender overall despite historic block numbers (though it's not like that's not correctable in time). 

 Similar situation with Whiteside, McGee, and Noel. 

Yes, it ignores intelligent positioning.

Two areas I think it misses most.

1) incredibly intelligent player who is very good positionally and who, therefore, doesn't get as many shots as expected put up against. For example, think of a Marc Gasol type. His defensive stats are not that amazing, either here or counting stat wise. But he always makes the teams he is with better defensively through his positioning.

2) the chasers/ out of positioners. These are the guys that gamble for example on blocks or who are often out of position, thus no longer being the closest defender. In these situations, their teammates are "punished" trying to cover for them when defending against a more "open" shot. E.G., Player A jumps out to block a shot (lets say around the free-throw line and gets off his feet. The opposing player either drives around this player or passes to a now open player closer to the basket. Player B is now forced to rotate to the player that is suddenly open. Player B is credited as being the closest defender, even though it is Player A who played the poor defense that allowed the opposing team to get good positioning. 

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