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41 minutes ago, Jay Magic said:

Alexander Walker good again...

But trust me Okeke gonna be real real good.

Okeke will be very good. He fills the Gap AG leaves once we trade him for a big time GUARD

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21 hours ago, The Boss said:

 

Vuc is probably gonna play 32-34 minutes. That only leaves 14-16 minutes for the backup center. Can't play both of them 8 minutes, gotta go with one or the other. Even if Vuc is lowered to 30, you still have to just play one backup  (unless there's foul trouble).

 

Yea, and at Bamba's stage of development, he's probably NOT gonna be the main option off the bench for 82 games.

But theres no need to trade him. Development comes in more forms than just playtime. When Bamba earns his minutes, he can start taking them from Birch. But at this moment, he's a negative when hes on the court. Birch is not.

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Birch will be lucky to even suit up every night let alone make an impact on the court barring injury. I've been a Birch fan since his college days but some of you guys are a bit delusional with the amount of playing time he's going to get. 

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Bamba can be a primary backup. I mean dear god I would hope it’s not to much to ask him to play backup minutes. 

Bamba and Vuc both have injury histories so it’s not like Birch isn’t a nice player to have a around when that happens. 

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5 hours ago, TrueMagicFan07 said:

Silver: NBA needs 'enforceable' free-agency rules

LAS VEGAS -- Commissioner Adam Silver said multiple times during his annual news conference in Las Vegas during summer league that the NBA has "work to do" when it comes to free agency and the rules governing it.

Silver's comments came after a free-agency period in which several star players changed teams through deals that were apparently agreed upon before the official start of free agency at 6 p.m. ET on June 30.

All of the player movement this summer -- coupled with the star players available almost all choosing to sign with teams in either California, New York or Florida -- also led to questions about whether that was a potential long-term problem for the league.

Silver said he wasn't overly concerned by it. But he added that he was cognizant of the fact all 30 teams need to feel they have a chance to compete on a level playing field.

Edit: Read the full article

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27158043/silver-nba-needs-enforceable-free-agency-rules

 

I agree with this. This current climate of stars colluding together to form their own teams in a select few franchises is bad for the league at large outside of fans of the Lakers, Clippers, Warriors, Celtics, Heat, and Nets.

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What if free agency started immediately after the finals?  Would leave a lot less time for collusion and tampering (though it certainly wouldn't eliminate it), and the draft would happen afterwards instead of before which makes more sense.

The NBA off-season schedule as a whole seems totally arbitrary and non-sensical.

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35 minutes ago, Franchise408 said:

I agree with this. This current climate of stars colluding together to form their own teams in a select few franchises is bad for the league at large outside of fans of the Lakers, Clippers, Warriors, Celtics, Heat, and Nets.

The Warriors drafted Curry, Klay and Draymond though. But I hear you..

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12 hours ago, ?4thewin said:

I'm just glad Mario isn't in the team anymore. Such a frustrating player to watch. Did it again last season. 30 point game in a win against Washington. A triple double. Big moments of athleticism and defense. Can't put it together though

I will forever own my property on Hezonja island. I wish we had picked up his option and brought him back. One extra year would be a low risk move, and I'm curious to see how he would improve under the new coaching staff

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2 hours ago, TheNameIsOrlando said:

I just can't see a 30 year old Vuch at 20+ being that attractive. A 26-27 year old Vuch at 12 wasn't even attractive. 

I think it's unlikely but hey maybe we swindle someone for once. 

If I can play devil's advocate for a moment, maybe the org believes that the ability to acquire a superstar (and thus become a legit title contender) is slim to none for the foreseeable future and maybe ever again.  This isn't unreasonable, considering that these select few players now have the power to go wherever they want to, whenever they want to.  Why would they want to come to (or stay in) Orlando?  The city isn't great, and the ownership group can't provide business connections outside of basketball that are appealing.     

With that in mind the best path forward would be to assemble a middling playoff team that is extremely likable, with players that have history in the community and that fans can wrap their arms around.  If so, then mission accomplished.

You could see that as a loser's plan, or making the best of a bad situation.  

 

 

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1 hour ago, Jay Magic said:

The Warriors drafted Curry, Klay and Draymond though. But I hear you..

Oh, I know it. I live in the Bay Area, so I get all Warriors all the time lol.

But they are a place where people want to come play now. Kevin Durant is obviously the big one. Cousins last year. Plus the Bay Area is a huuuuuge market. There's a lot of reason for players to wanna come here now.

And even tho they drafted Curry, Klay, and Draymond, they have been able to keep them. Something we havent been able to do at any point. Something Cleveland couldn't do with LeBron, twice. Or OKC with Durant. Toronto with Leonard. Or countless other markets losing their stars. I'm sure Milwaukee will be next. 

Golden State has become desirable. The stars drafted want to stay and other stars want to come.

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15 minutes ago, Bebop Meat Mop said:

If I can play devil's advocate for a moment, maybe the org believes that the ability to acquire a superstar (and thus become a legit title contender) is slim to none for the foreseeable future and maybe ever again.  This isn't unreasonable, considering that these select few players now have the power to go wherever they want to, whenever they want to.  Why would they want to come to (or stay in) Orlando?  The city isn't great, and the ownership group can't provide business connections outside of basketball that are appealing.     

With that in mind the best path forward would be to assemble a middling playoff team that is extremely likable, with players that have history in the community and that fans can wrap their arms around.  If so, then mission accomplished.

You could see that as a loser's plan, or making the best of a bad situation.  

 

 

Honestly, I think this is the reasoning behind getting Vuc back.

While I love the idea of having tons of cap space for a big free agent, who is that FA that would actually come to Orlando?

Historically, the Magic havent been a huge FA destination. We've mostly gotten big names well past their prime who are in the twilight of their career looking to retire, ala Ewing and Wilkins.

We have had a couple exceptions where we have gotten the big FA's, with the T-Mac and Grant Hill combo, and Rashard Lewis, being the notable exceptions. Outside of that, we usually dont get those guys.

Now you factor in the current state of the league, with players nearly exclusively wanting big markets, and Orlando is basically out of the running of ever being that destination. I'm not saying Orlando will never sign a big name free agent ever again, but we will never land a Kevin Durant / LeBron James / Kahwi Leonard equivalent. 

So understanding that reality, the FO has to utilize the resources we have. A franchise like ours is gonna have to build via draft and trades. We have to find alternative means to FA to team building. And in the case of Vuc, hes the closest option we have to a star.

Take the star we know we can get, rather than waiting for the star we likely won't get, keep a playoff squad in tact, and hope for further development from BIG, and hope that Fultz pans out and can be a game changer. 

It's a gamble, but those sorts of things can combine together to turn us into a dangerous team, especially in a weakened east. 

Of course these things have equal likeliness of blowing up, and Fultz is a "bust" (using that term loosely as he was a very low risk get for us... even if he never played again he didnt cost us anything) and BIG just kinda stagnate.

I'm not saying I like the path we chose... but I get it. I understand it. And in a lot of ways I feel it was the right thing to do.

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