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2 hours ago, ?4thewin said:

Tobias. 

I still don't see what teams see in him that takes him such significantly higher than the randle, Aaron Gordon, Bobby Portis, Barnes, Rudy Gay tier of guys. 

He's an opportunistic scorer. He finds times throughout games to accumulate points. That's not a bad thing to be but when he plays against great defensive players they limit those opportunities and he can't create for himself. That's not a max money guy. 

 

It shows the value of buckets.  Harris has become a better teammate since he left us, that has allowed him to stick around and get this payday.  If Randle continues his growth he will be right behind Tobias in two years as well contract wise.  The other guys on your list are of different makeup or caliber.  AG is a good teammate but not a scorer or top 3 option, Barnes has a chance to bridge the gap between the two categories but is running out of time.  I don't believe Gay was ever accused of being a good teammate.  Portis is like a Glen Davis clone with less personality.  

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8 minutes ago, Murphy13 said:

Nik would do really well on GS. 

Sure I’m not sold GD would do well with him. He isn’t a defensive force and isn’t a run and gun center. He needs the offense to run through him in a half court setting or else he disappears, pouts, and becomes nonexistent.

GS needs a specific role player for the C spot. One who doesn’t need the ball a whole lot.

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10 minutes ago, Murphy13 said:

No one on the roster would benefit from a healthy Fultz more than Vucevic

Disagree. Vucevic's entire value is based around facilitating through him at the high post. Removing that responsibility limits his role and makes him less valuable. 

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1 hour ago, Originalticketholder said:

One discussion on the NBA channel last night that might have merit is how we are developing our team unlike other franchises that blow up their teams to sign free agents.  Their point was we know what we have and the hope is that our young guys (Gordon/Isaac/Bamba/Fultz/Iwundu/Frazier/Okeke?) improve their game every year.  We saw that with isaac last year, even Gordon in his defense.  We won't be trying to figure out chemistry as the season opens.  Clifford can focus on team development versus figuring out what he has.  I see the possibility of a fast start.  

I think the chemistry piece is very clear. I just hope our guys, especially our young guys, continue to develop.

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11 minutes ago, ?4thewin said:

Disagree. Vucevic's entire value is based around facilitating through him at the high post. Removing that responsibility limits his role and makes him less valuable. 

Fultz's game is not one of ball domination.  Having a big to toss it down to and then moving without the ball will change your mind.  And no, attempting to devalue someone's value doesn't change the fact that high post players love them some active pg's.  Time will tell, assuming Fultz plays.

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I’m not sure what’s happening here, but AG retweeted this, too. Rivalry? Additionally, AG retweeted Vooch’s tweet, which shows the chemistry is right on our team.

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4 minutes ago, Soul Bro said:

I’m not sure what’s happening here, but AG retweeted this, too. Rivalry?

Fournier & Gobert are like best friends.  French connection

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5 minutes ago, ML6 said:

Fournier & Gobert are like best friends.  French connection

Ha! Yes, I just discovered Gobert is close with Fournier and Vooch

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21 minutes ago, Murphy13 said:

Fultz's game is not one of ball domination.  Having a big to toss it down to and then moving without the ball will change your mind.  And no, attempting to devalue someone's value doesn't change the fact that high post players love them some active pg's.  Time will tell, assuming Fultz plays.

More post ups means more of the least efficient parts of vucevic's game.

Vuc had a big role in everything we did last year. Having a smaller role makes him less important. 

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9 minutes ago, ?4thewin said:

More post ups means more of the least efficient parts of vucevic's game.

Vuc had a big role in everything we did last year. Having a smaller role makes him less important. 

Not really, it just means (again assuming Fultz plays at a reasonably high level) that he won't have to force things as much.  His numbers might go down a little but he'll be more efficient at what he does do.  He's our best and therefore most important player for now, arguing his level of importance is impotent.  If he's as good as his contract dictates, he should understand that taking a step back so the team can step forward is a good thing that benefits him.  

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So, my thoughts with the team being basically set going forward. (Not that they are much different than anyone elses)

1) Ouch that Vuch contract. Not very trade-able if we need to move him. We are paying him almost Jokic money, which makes sense if you look at it through the lens of they are both big Eastern European centers who are offensive specialists who centered playoff teams. But doesn't make sense when one is a generational talent offensively who still potentially has room to grow and brought his team to the 4th best record in the league and almost to the conference finals, while the other has reached his ceiling and was a non-entity in the playoffs.

2) Like that we brought back Ross. I think the money is fair. I have read a few arguments online that we are overpaying for a contract year performance, but we are basically giving him the same money as he was making before, and he was effective (just not scoring-wise) in the 2018 season before being injured.

3) Bah on the Aminu signing. Not that big on it, but it is whatever.

4) Tradeable contracts. Besides Vuch, I think just about every one of our contracts are pretty trade-able at this time- and I am talking more about the non-rookie contracts here (rookie contracts are basically always tradeable). Ross at 13.5 per year for four years is perfect for his type of player, and the contract will only get better as time goes on. Aminu at 9 per year is digestible for any team needing a "3" and D type of player close to the deadline, which there always are. Gordon's contract has always been trade-able if needed- I think that there are very few teams that he wouldn't fit into as well. DJ for one more year at 9 is perfect for a back up sweet shooting point guard- in fact he might have the most tradeable contract if not for him being expiring after this year. Fournier's contract is not that onerous anymore, with 2 years left at 17 million (After this off-season, I think it will barely be a top 100 contract in money per year.). Mozgov is pretty tradeable for anyone looking to get rid of money next year. I assume MCW and Birch (if brought back) will not have contracts that are that big. Basically, the only "bad" contract we will have on the books is Vuch's.

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