magicdoc1 261 Report post Posted June 21, 2019 55 minutes ago, TheNameIsOrlando said: I know everyone hates Evan but before last year dude was serviceable at worst. If he can get back to that (shot maker and gives good defensive effort) we are fine at SG. This is especially true with Vuch gone and the possibility of Fultz coming back. To get rid of Evan for the sake of him being gone is short sighted. He's not terrible. I don't think anyone truly hates him. I just don't think he should be our starting SG anymore. We need to upgrade that position. I will be ok with him coming off the bench but his salary is way to high for a back up SG. We need consistency and he lacks that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Originalticketholder 133 Report post Posted June 21, 2019 33 minutes ago, TrueMagicFan07 said: I use to be an Evan supporter. As far back as 3 seasons ago, when some of the family on here accused him and Vuch of playing buddy ball and wanted both of them gone, I was willing to give Evan a pass. At that time, as a starter, Evan's scoring helped to keep the Magic close in games. There were games where he made buzzer beaters to win a game. But the following season, he tried to do too much. He missed easy lay ups and turned the ball over a lot trying to hand the ball to Vuch in the paint. Evan wanted to be the go to guy at the end of games and bricked a lot of shots. So, "no" to Evan. Fools gold. **Fool me once, shame on you. . .fool me twice, shame on me.** I concur and his stats tell the story. If Ross and Vuc leave I am OK keeping him because we can't trade him (nobody wants him and his salary). I would rather seem him come off the bench if we can find another 2. He is not the long term answer since his stats show him declining (this year in particular) not really improving. Per Game Season Age Tm Lg Pos G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% eFG% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS Career NBA 457 315 28.0 4.9 10.9 .446 1.7 4.5 .371 3.2 6.5 .498 .522 2.1 2.6 .805 0.5 2.3 2.8 2.5 0.8 0.1 1.6 2.4 13.5 5 seasons ORL NBA 343 307 31.6 5.6 12.6 .447 1.9 5.1 .369 3.7 7.4 .502 .523 2.4 2.9 .812 0.5 2.5 3.0 2.9 0.9 0.1 1.8 2.5 15.5 2 seasons DEN NBA 114 8 16.9 2.7 6.1 .435 1.0 2.6 .381 1.7 3.6 .474 .515 1.1 1.4 .759 0.4 1.7 2.1 1.4 0.5 0.1 1.2 2.1 7.4 2012-13 20 DEN NBA SG 38 4 11.3 2.0 4.0 .493 0.6 1.4 .407 1.4 2.6 .541 .566 0.8 1.0 .769 0.2 0.8 0.9 1.2 0.5 0.0 0.8 1.7 5.3 2013-14 21 DEN NBA SG 76 4 19.8 3.0 7.2 .419 1.2 3.1 .376 1.8 4.0 .453 .501 1.2 1.6 .756 0.4 2.2 2.7 1.5 0.4 0.1 1.3 2.4 8.4 2014-15 22 ORL NBA SG 58 32 28.6 4.4 9.9 .440 1.5 3.9 .378 2.9 6.0 .480 .514 1.8 2.5 .728 0.5 2.2 2.6 2.1 0.7 0.0 1.4 2.0 12.0 2015-16 23 ORL NBA SF 79 71 32.5 5.4 11.8 .462 2.0 4.9 .400 3.5 6.8 .506 .546 2.5 3.0 .836 0.4 2.4 2.8 2.7 1.2 0.0 1.7 2.7 15.4 2016-17 24 ORL NBA SG 68 66 32.9 6.0 13.7 .439 1.9 5.3 .356 4.1 8.4 .491 .508 3.3 4.1 .805 0.6 2.4 3.1 3.0 1.0 0.1 2.1 2.6 17.2 2017-18 25 ORL NBA SF 57 57 32.2 6.5 14.1 .459 2.2 5.9 .379 4.2 8.2 .516 .538 2.6 3.0 .867 0.4 2.8 3.2 2.9 0.8 0.3 1.7 2.4 17.8 2018-19 26 ORL NBA SG 81 81 31.5 5.8 13.2 .438 1.9 5.6 .340 3.9 7.6 .509 .509 1.7 2.1 .806 0.5 2.7 3.2 3.6 0.9 0.1 1.9 2.8 15.1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
magicdoc1 261 Report post Posted June 21, 2019 Free agent sharpshooter John Petrucelli has committed to summer league with the Orlando Magic, agent @bjbass2 tells @HoopsRumors. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Originalticketholder 133 Report post Posted June 21, 2019 4 hours ago, crisby pancakes said: Unsure where this nonsense about we have too many forwards keeps coming from, we essentially have AG, Isaac and nothing else of note. We lack massively on wing depth. This allows us to have a nice 3 man 3/4 rotation sorted by adding a solid two way player that fits the ethos of the front office in that he can defend multiple positions and he can score the ball as an added bonus. The 2020 draft is loaded at the 2 spot as well so can quite easily target one in the next draft. It's very clear that the FO are aiming to have a solid lineup/team ready for the 2020/2021 season. They've said numerous times that they won't rush it. For me it's going to be hugely dependent on what they manage to do with Fournier's contract after next season and also on what Fultz actually is. Does that mean we could be worse next season, yes it does but I'm fine taking a small step back for a year in order to have a chance at sustained success with a pretty solid core that should keep developing and improving over time. Good master plan. The only indicator that that could change is if we stretch Mozgov this year which I have not heard of recently. Only reason to do that is free up money for a FA this year. But, like I said, I have not heard any indication that will happen nor any information that it will happen. Otherwise next summer will be our year to delve into FA and I am good with that too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MagikMike 1 Report post Posted June 21, 2019 Which risky move has the most upside potential? Pelton: The Orlando Magic taking Chuma Okeke coming off an ACL tear. Okeke was No. 2 in the stats-only version of my projections, so even if he's not quite the same player after the injury, he can still be a fine pick outside the lottery. Since most rookies don't help their team win, I don't think waiting a few months or even a full season for Okeke is a real problem. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheNameIsOrlando 310 Report post Posted June 21, 2019 35 minutes ago, Originalticketholder said: I concur and his stats tell the story. If Ross and Vuc leave I am OK keeping him because we can't trade him (nobody wants him and his salary). I would rather seem him come off the bench if we can find another 2. He is not the long term answer since his stats show him declining (this year in particular) not really improving. Per Game Season Age Tm Lg Pos G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% eFG% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS Career NBA 457 315 28.0 4.9 10.9 .446 1.7 4.5 .371 3.2 6.5 .498 .522 2.1 2.6 .805 0.5 2.3 2.8 2.5 0.8 0.1 1.6 2.4 13.5 5 seasons ORL NBA 343 307 31.6 5.6 12.6 .447 1.9 5.1 .369 3.7 7.4 .502 .523 2.4 2.9 .812 0.5 2.5 3.0 2.9 0.9 0.1 1.8 2.5 15.5 2 seasons DEN NBA 114 8 16.9 2.7 6.1 .435 1.0 2.6 .381 1.7 3.6 .474 .515 1.1 1.4 .759 0.4 1.7 2.1 1.4 0.5 0.1 1.2 2.1 7.4 2012-13 20 DEN NBA SG 38 4 11.3 2.0 4.0 .493 0.6 1.4 .407 1.4 2.6 .541 .566 0.8 1.0 .769 0.2 0.8 0.9 1.2 0.5 0.0 0.8 1.7 5.3 2013-14 21 DEN NBA SG 76 4 19.8 3.0 7.2 .419 1.2 3.1 .376 1.8 4.0 .453 .501 1.2 1.6 .756 0.4 2.2 2.7 1.5 0.4 0.1 1.3 2.4 8.4 2014-15 22 ORL NBA SG 58 32 28.6 4.4 9.9 .440 1.5 3.9 .378 2.9 6.0 .480 .514 1.8 2.5 .728 0.5 2.2 2.6 2.1 0.7 0.0 1.4 2.0 12.0 2015-16 23 ORL NBA SF 79 71 32.5 5.4 11.8 .462 2.0 4.9 .400 3.5 6.8 .506 .546 2.5 3.0 .836 0.4 2.4 2.8 2.7 1.2 0.0 1.7 2.7 15.4 2016-17 24 ORL NBA SG 68 66 32.9 6.0 13.7 .439 1.9 5.3 .356 4.1 8.4 .491 .508 3.3 4.1 .805 0.6 2.4 3.1 3.0 1.0 0.1 2.1 2.6 17.2 2017-18 25 ORL NBA SF 57 57 32.2 6.5 14.1 .459 2.2 5.9 .379 4.2 8.2 .516 .538 2.6 3.0 .867 0.4 2.8 3.2 2.9 0.8 0.3 1.7 2.4 17.8 2018-19 26 ORL NBA SG 81 81 31.5 5.8 13.2 .438 1.9 5.6 .340 3.9 7.6 .509 .509 1.7 2.1 .806 0.5 2.7 3.2 3.6 0.9 0.1 1.9 2.8 15.1 What story do these stats show? Decline? One year is not a decline. Especially when that one year although worse is not as drastic as your'e making seem. There's a lot of revisionist history being used around here. ? I also agree we could use an upgrade at SG. If we don't have perennial all-stars at every position then guess what? We could use an upgrade at every position! It's about the proper replacement and as of now Fournier doesn't suck enough to just find any dude out of free agency to replace him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magicfan1987 266 Report post Posted June 21, 2019 4 hours ago, ?4thewin said: The mid tier path is "the version of Isaac that existed during our winning streak when he learned how to shoot and attack closeouts off the dribble but suspended in time never getting better than that" And that's a really good NBA player Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Just a regular Magic fan 38 Report post Posted June 21, 2019 FYI: I saw that Okeke will have his press conference live on Facebook today at 1500. Woot! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shine88 78 Report post Posted June 21, 2019 BJ Taylor will play for Orlando summer league squad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Odin 137 Report post Posted June 21, 2019 No one is saying much of anything different, but from Fivethirtyeight.com (Interesting Fits) Chuma Okeke, No. 16, Orlando Magic Our model: 17th-highest upside Okeke won’t contribute much next year as he recovers from a torn ACL. But Kevin Pelton’s No. 2 overall prospect in the class is a strong perimeter shooter, having scorched the nets on at least 38 percent of his 3-point attempts in both of his college seasons at Auburn. His passing ability is well above average, and he knows when to attack the rim with or without the ball. Should the Magic deal Aaron Gordon or disassemble the frontcourt logjam in place, Okeke can subsidize Orlando on both ends of the floor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Soul Bro 1,418 Report post Posted June 21, 2019 “Projected role: Three-and-D starting role player. As long as Okeke's recovery goes smoothly, he should eventually fill a three-and-D role at the worst. His jump shot and defensive versatility are easy to buy and theoretically create a high floor. His ceiling could mean Okeke develops into Robert Covington 2.0—an elite role player who doesn't have to create to hold significant value.” Chuma Okeke's 2019 NBA Draft Scouting Report: Analysis of Magic Pick https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2841105-chuma-okekes-2019-nba-draft-scouting-report-analysis-of-magic-pick Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Franchise408 116 Report post Posted June 21, 2019 8 hours ago, crisby pancakes said: Unsure where this nonsense about we have too many forwards keeps coming from, we essentially have AG, Isaac and nothing else of note. We lack massively on wing depth. This allows us to have a nice 3 man 3/4 rotation sorted by adding a solid two way player that fits the ethos of the front office in that he can defend multiple positions and he can score the ball as an added bonus. The 2020 draft is loaded at the 2 spot as well so can quite easily target one in the next draft. It's very clear that the FO are aiming to have a solid lineup/team ready for the 2020/2021 season. They've said numerous times that they won't rush it. For me it's going to be hugely dependent on what they manage to do with Fournier's contract after next season and also on what Fultz actually is. Does that mean we could be worse next season, yes it does but I'm fine taking a small step back for a year in order to have a chance at sustained success with a pretty solid core that should keep developing and improving over time. Totally agree! I am okay with a regression next year because I am optimistic about where this team is headed. For the first time in a long time. I like our BIG core of Bamba, Isaac, and Gordon. I do like Vuc and Ross, but I understand, and agree with, the philosophy behind letting them go. I am SUPER excited for the prospect of Fultz. I hope he is healthy and can play. He's an instant x-factor for this team. I don't like Fournier, but I know that it will take time to get rid of him. And once he, Vuc, Ross, and Mozgov are all off our books, all of a sudden we have a lot of cap space to build around our very strong young core. There is a lot to be hopeful for this year, and if this year isnt successful, that's okay. It's not about this year Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
