The Buccaneer 74 Report post Posted April 2, 2019 4-4-4.... makes me ready for the next game.... hopefully they don’t stuff the directv NOW customers again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted April 2, 2019 I'm having a difficult time figuring out what the best version of this team looks like. It can't be too far off from what we are now. But Isaac is shooting 40% on threes the last 24 games and shot 26% from three over his first 48 games. How much better are we if he shot 35% instead of 26% for the better part of the season? At the same time we're still flawed and at least a magnitude worse than Toronto. So are we basically Indiana? I think we're probably better than Indiana but worse than Boston or Philly. Or maybe we're right where we should be and if we played this season 1000 times with today's roster we'd still end up in the same general realm of where we are today with Isaac winning a few games we lost this year and Ross' streakiness coming at less fortunate times. Are our losses against Cleveland, Memphis, Washington signs of flaws being hidden by coaching? Or are they momentary lapses that are excusable in the greater context of these long winning streaks? Because San Antonio is a well coached veteran team with limited talent but differs from us in that they have end of game closers and San Antonio still loses to Chicago in the middle of a long winning streak and has a down month when they lose 7 of 8 including back to back games against the Knicks and Brooklyn and San Antonio can't seem to figure out Charlotte. So are our flaws just the tarnish of a third tier NBA team that's ceiling is in the mid 40s? If we were less flawed where Vuc did his stuff on offense and wasn't a target on defense and we had a legitimate end of game closer would we be a 50+ win team? Are we that close to being something (though also that far away because our missing piece is the most difficult player to obtain)? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
All Eyes On Me 1,196 Report post Posted April 2, 2019 11 minutes ago, ?4thewin said: I'm having a difficult time figuring out what the best version of this team looks like. It can't be too far off from what we are now. But Isaac is shooting 40% on threes the last 24 games and shot 26% from three over his first 48 games. How much better are we if he shot 35% instead of 26% for the better part of the season? At the same time we're still flawed and at least a magnitude worse than Toronto. So are we basically Indiana? I think we're probably better than Indiana but worse than Boston or Philly. Or maybe we're right where we should be and if we played this season 1000 times with today's roster we'd still end up in the same general realm of where we are today with Isaac winning a few games we lost this year and Ross' streakiness coming at less fortunate times. Are our losses against Cleveland, Memphis, Washington signs of flaws being hidden by coaching? Or are they momentary lapses that are excusable in the greater context of these long winning streaks? Because San Antonio is a well coached veteran team with limited talent but differs from us in that they have end of game closers and San Antonio still loses to Chicago in the middle of a long winning streak and has a down month when they lose 7 of 8 including back to back games against the Knicks and Brooklyn and San Antonio can't seem to figure out Charlotte. So are our flaws just the tarnish of a third tier NBA team that's ceiling is in the mid 40s? If we were less flawed where Vuc did his stuff on offense and wasn't a target on defense and we had a legitimate end of game closer would we be a 50+ win team? Are we that close to being something (though also that far away because our missing piece is the most difficult player to obtain)? To add another thought, what’s our record look like right now if we got post-all-star Fournier all season instead of his rough start. I definitely think we’re better than our record and would put us in the same conversation as Boston as the 4th best team in the conference right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
All Eyes On Me 1,196 Report post Posted April 2, 2019 19 minutes ago, ?4thewin said: I'm having a difficult time figuring out what the best version of this team looks like. It can't be too far off from what we are now. But Isaac is shooting 40% on threes the last 24 games and shot 26% from three over his first 48 games. How much better are we if he shot 35% instead of 26% for the better part of the season? At the same time we're still flawed and at least a magnitude worse than Toronto. So are we basically Indiana? I think we're probably better than Indiana but worse than Boston or Philly. Or maybe we're right where we should be and if we played this season 1000 times with today's roster we'd still end up in the same general realm of where we are today with Isaac winning a few games we lost this year and Ross' streakiness coming at less fortunate times. Are our losses against Cleveland, Memphis, Washington signs of flaws being hidden by coaching? Or are they momentary lapses that are excusable in the greater context of these long winning streaks? Because San Antonio is a well coached veteran team with limited talent but differs from us in that they have end of game closers and San Antonio still loses to Chicago in the middle of a long winning streak and has a down month when they lose 7 of 8 including back to back games against the Knicks and Brooklyn and San Antonio can't seem to figure out Charlotte. So are our flaws just the tarnish of a third tier NBA team that's ceiling is in the mid 40s? If we were less flawed where Vuc did his stuff on offense and wasn't a target on defense and we had a legitimate end of game closer would we be a 50+ win team? Are we that close to being something (though also that far away because our missing piece is the most difficult player to obtain)? Are there any realistic pathways to us being able to afford Kemba? I mean, if he makes an all-nba team this year, forget about it, but if he doesn’t? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
J-Mac 80 Report post Posted April 2, 2019 It's hard to be consistent for an 82 game season, but defensively I think we are there or at least very close. It's the offense that has us where we are now and with a closer for example Kemba I say we're top 15 easily, top 10 maybe offensively. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bauncey Chillups 288 Report post Posted April 2, 2019 16 minutes ago, All Eyes On Me said: Are there any realistic pathways to us being able to afford Kemba? I mean, if he makes an all-nba team this year, forget about it, but if he doesn’t? Dunno the exact numbers but it would require renouncing the rights on Vucevic and Ross, it wouldn't be a full max obviously. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted April 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, J-Mac said: It's hard to be consistent for an 82 game season, but defensively I think we are there or at least very close. It's the offense that has us where we are now and with a closer for example Kemba I say we're top 15 easily, top 10 maybe offensively. Sure would be great if Fultz was that guy. It's definitely not fair to have those expectations with him. But he was picked number one for a reason. Moving on from Vuc makes sense because even if Bamba sucks it's not crazy difficult to fill that spot by overpaying for Drummond or Harrell or Bam Adebayo and there's a Jarrett Allen in every draft. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
J-Mac 80 Report post Posted April 2, 2019 27 minutes ago, ?4thewin said: Sure would be great if Fultz was that guy. It's definitely not fair to have those expectations with him. But he was picked number one for a reason. Moving on from Vuc makes sense because even if Bamba sucks it's not crazy difficult to fill that spot by overpaying for Drummond or Harrell or Bam Adebayo and there's a Jarrett Allen in every draft. It sucks it took us this long but we are definitely in great position for the future which has me very excited, and if Fultz becomes that guy hopefully that benefits Bamba too since Fultz biggest strength in college was the pick n roll Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magicfan1987 266 Report post Posted April 2, 2019 I haven't made a Magic fan video in 12 years. LETS GOOOO!!!!! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
magicmacd75 37 Report post Posted April 2, 2019 Does anyone else think we don't have to win the last 4 games to get in and if not where do you see Miami (it's the only tiebreaker we win) slipping up? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
magicblue 315 Report post Posted April 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, magicmacd75 said: Does anyone else think we don't have to win the last 4 games to get in and if not where do you see Miami (it's the only tiebreaker we win) slipping up? If we go 3-1 and think there’s about a 90% chance we get in. 2-2 and it’s probably more like 25% Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ML6 520 Report post Posted April 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, magicblue said: If we go 3-1 and think there’s about a 90% chance we get in. 2-2 and it’s probably more like 25% If we go 2-2, Miami has to go 3-2 or better to get in. I don’t think Miami is 75% likely to go 3-2 or better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
