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1 hour ago, fan for too long 2 said:

So in this article it says that shooting coach drew hanlin is not on speaking terms with fultz. Did I read that right? Or was it his agent? The wording is strange. If so, I can’t imagine what happened and as he is/was Mo Bamba’s coach and the fact they are still close. I’m gonna call bs on this article. 

Yea, Drew dropped Fultz and no one really knows why, I’m very interested though. 

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3 hours ago, JJZFL said:

Professional sports teams with multi-million dollar athletes don't settle for lousy medical care.  And University of Pennsylvania with their first rate medical specialists is right there.  And if that's not enough, teams routinely fly athletes to whatever specialists are felt to be necessary, regardless of where they reside.

This is not incompetent or lazy doctors.  This is a player who's been looked at from every angle, imaged and tested extensively, and no one was able to come up with a definitive diagnosis.  

https://www.libertyballers.com/2017/3/2/14787424/sixers-medical-team-joel-embiid-jahlil-okafor-letting-the-franchise-down-bryan-colangelo-sam-hinkie

This is an article from 2017 documenting the numerous missteps and screwups that the Sixers medical staff have been involved in over the years.  It appears that their staff today is mostly unchanged from that time.  Nothing conclusive, but there's enough smoke to seriously question what's going on up there.  

Professional sports teams and their high-priced medical staffs screw up diagnoses and treatments all the time, some more than others.  And if you blow a diagnosis, it's kinda hard to send the patient to the proper specialist don't you think?

Outright dismissing medical malpractice as even a possibility here is wrong.    

3 hours ago, JJZFL said:

Thoracic outlet syndrome, since most of the time there's no objective testing for it, is the kind of diagnosis someone may get when nothing else turns up, and the doctor is reluctant to suggest a psychological issue.  It might well be that the Fultz team shopped around until they found someone willing to give him a medical sounding diagnosis. 

That is a pretty gross mischaracterization of TOS.  It's certainly more well established than chronic fatigue syndrome for example.  

And yes, it's entirely possible that Fultz shopped around.  It's also entirely possible that he was misdiagnosed by a medical staff with questionable history.  We'll probably never know the steps he's taken to address the issue, but I suppose we'll find out when he starts taking shots for the Magic.  

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17 minutes ago, Bebop Meat Mop said:

https://www.libertyballers.com/2017/3/2/14787424/sixers-medical-team-joel-embiid-jahlil-okafor-letting-the-franchise-down-bryan-colangelo-sam-hinkie

This is an article from 2017 documenting the numerous missteps and screwups that the Sixers medical staff have been involved in over the years.  It appears that their staff today is mostly unchanged from that time.  Nothing conclusive, but there's enough smoke to seriously question what's going on up there.  

Professional sports teams and their high-priced medical staffs screw up diagnoses and treatments all the time, some more than others.  And if you blow a diagnosis, it's kinda hard to send the patient to the proper specialist don't you think?

Outright dismissing medical malpractice as even a possibility here is wrong.    

That is a pretty gross mischaracterization of TOS.  It's certainly more well established than chronic fatigue syndrome for example.  

And yes, it's entirely possible that Fultz shopped around.  It's also entirely possible that he was misdiagnosed by a medical staff with questionable history.  We'll probably never know the steps he's taken to address the issue, but I suppose we'll find out when he starts taking shots for the Magic.  

He was seen by Dr. Ben Kibler, Director of the Kentucky Shoulder Center, way back in late 2017.  There were undoubtedly multiple other specialists also involved; that’s the way these things are always handled when you have careers at stake potentially worth tens of millions.  You don’t have some GP make a diagnosis and then refuse to get another opinion because they might be embarrassed. Speculation about malpractice when you have some of the foremost experts in the field involved is just ridiculous.  

Neurogenic TOS is usually made without any objective evidence to support it, based on symptoms.  It is what it is.  

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2 hours ago, JJZFL said:

He was seen by Dr. Ben Kibler, Director of the Kentucky Shoulder Center, way back in late 2017.  There were undoubtedly multiple other specialists also involved; that’s the way these things are always handled when you have careers at stake potentially worth tens of millions.  You don’t have some GP make a diagnosis and then refuse to get another opinion because they might be embarrassed. Speculation about malpractice when you have some of the foremost experts in the field involved is just ridiculous.  

Neurogenic TOS is usually made without any objective evidence to support it, based on symptoms.  It is what it is.  

Expert doesn't automatically equal correct. 

 

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8 hours ago, ?4thewin said:

Expert doesn't automatically equal correct. 

 

Of course not.  But malpractice is a wild accusation in this circumstance.  No one has a crystal ball, but the best doctors go through things very carefully and make an assessment based on all the data and their experience and reasoning.  Not 100% accurate in a situation like this, where I suspect all the objective findings were normal, but the best process available.  A far cry from lazy and incompetent doctors, as was being asserted above. 

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11 hours ago, Bebop Meat Mop said:

https://www.libertyballers.com/2017/3/2/14787424/sixers-medical-team-joel-embiid-jahlil-okafor-letting-the-franchise-down-bryan-colangelo-sam-hinkie

This is an article from 2017 documenting the numerous missteps and screwups that the Sixers medical staff have been involved in over the years.  It appears that their staff today is mostly unchanged from that time.  Nothing conclusive, but there's enough smoke to seriously question what's going on up there.  

Professional sports teams and their high-priced medical staffs screw up diagnoses and treatments all the time, some more than others.  And if you blow a diagnosis, it's kinda hard to send the patient to the proper specialist don't you think?

Outright dismissing medical malpractice as even a possibility here is wrong.    

That is a pretty gross mischaracterization of TOS.  It's certainly more well established than chronic fatigue syndrome for example.  

And yes, it's entirely possible that Fultz shopped around.  It's also entirely possible that he was misdiagnosed by a medical staff with questionable history.  We'll probably never know the steps he's taken to address the issue, but I suppose we'll find out when he starts taking shots for the Magic.  

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43 minutes ago, JJZFL said:

Of course not.  But malpractice is a wild accusation in this circumstance.  No one has a crystal ball, but the best doctors go through things very carefully and make an assessment based on all the data and their experience and reasoning.  Not 100% accurate in a situation like this, where I suspect all the objective findings were normal, but the best process available.  A far cry from lazy and incompetent doctors, as was being asserted above. 

Nah I think in Fultz case they heard hoofbeats and thought horses, not zebras. 

But Fultz, zhaire Smith's weird situation, Ben Simmons missing a bunch of time. Embiid missing a bunch of time. 

Seems weird. 

Kawhi's issue last year was he felt he was misdiagnosed then rushed back. 

Just step one in Fultz issues where "it feels like someone is holding my arms down", that's not psychological. 

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Looking at schedules it seems as Detroit, Washington and the Magic has favorable schedule for the rest of the season. 

Hornets, Miami and Brooklin have a rather difficult one. 

I think Brooklyn is in and Miami Out. Miami doesnt look that they are going after that last spot. They didnt do anything at the trade deadline that will improve their changes. Maybe if Dragic comes back they can get into the groove again but getting rid of Tyler tells me they are not interested to compete this year. 

So you have 2 spots available for Detroit, Washington, Magic and Hornets to fight for. I see Washington getting in as they will be much better once Dwight Howard comes back from injury. They also added some talent with jabari and Portis to add to Beal and Ariza that will help them secure that playoff run. That leave us with one spot for Detroit, Hornets and the Magic. I see us and the Hornets fighting for that last spot. Our last game of the season will be againts the Hornets at home and we will be playing for that  last playoff spot.  

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I didn't think Bamba would be out this long should this injury be a concern. Credit to Birch for playing well but Bamba is our future

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15 minutes ago, J-Mac said:

I didn't think Bamba would be out this long should this injury be a concern. Credit to Birch for playing well but Bamba is our future

No. It's expected for him to probably miss the season. 

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46 minutes ago, ?4thewin said:

So Boston blew a 28 point lead last night

They lost Kyrie too. They said it's just a knee sprain, but with his history who knows.

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