South_Aussie_Magic 90 Report post Posted January 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Catalina Maria said: Our best games are when Gordon is in the driver’s seat. A Gordon and DSJ swap would be disastrous. Probably my favourite observation of the year is how good things go when he keeps getting the touches the ENTIRE game 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Neighborhood Bully 266 Report post Posted January 18, 2019 Nilkola Vucevic...defensive stopper Quote When you boil it right down to its essence, what is the goal of an NBA team on defense? It’s to prevent the opponent from scoring. And the ways that a team can achieve that goal is by: rebounding an opponent’s errant shot, blocking an opponent’s shot attempt, stealing the ball from the opponent, or drawing an offensive foul from the opponent. That is what The Hoops Manifesto’s NBA Stopper Rankings are all about – discovering which players in the league are best at ending an opponent’s offensive possession. (Since big men have more opportunities to rack up many of the stats we are tracking, we’ve also including a Top Five Guard ranking) Overall Top 20 Rank Last Rank Boards Steals Blocks Charges Total Stops 1 1 Joel Embiid 463 23 82 0 568 2 3 Anthony Davis 387 69 101 3 560 3 6 Andre Drummond 411 68 72 1 552 4 2 Rudy Gobert 415 41 90 0 546 5 8 DeAndre Jordan 463 30 45 1 539 6 7 Karl-Anthony Towns 396 40 85 2 523 7 4 Giannis Antetokounmpo 407 55 59 1 522 8 10 Nikola Vucevic 394 42 46 0 482 9 9 Marc Gasol 322 54 60 12 448 10 NR Russell Westbrook 326 90 11 2 429 11 NR Jusuf Nurkic 315 51 61 0 427 12 12 Clint Capela 320 25 77 1 423 13 5 Hassan Whiteside 314 21 87 0 422 14 17 Deandre Ayton 336 34 43 0 413 15 13 Ben Simmons 318 58 34 0 410 16 13 Nikola Jokic 315 58 31 3 407 17 16 Paul George 275 95 22 1 393 18 11 Kevin Durant 299 35 47 2 383 19 NR Willie Cauley-Stein 288 52 29 1 370 20 20 Tobias Harris 315 32 18 0 365 https://thesportsdaily.com/2019/01/17/the-nba-stopper-rankings-january-update-fox12/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted January 18, 2019 19 minutes ago, The Neighborhood Bully said: Nilkola Vucevic...defensive stopper https://thesportsdaily.com/2019/01/17/the-nba-stopper-rankings-january-update-fox12/ It's really frustrating to me that I grew up during a time where Marcus Camby was typically a finalist for DPOY because he averaged steals blocks and defensive rebounds but all the really really smart basketball people complained that the old basketball people who vote on that stuff don't understand that he's not really making significant defensive impact at all. He goes for every block and steal and it leaves the defense vulnerable. He struggled in post defense. He was a fine defender but not elite. People criticised Iverson's defense because although he led the league in steals he mostly got them by jumping passing lanes which left his man free for a back door cut. So he'd get 3 steals a game but allowed backdoor layups 4 times a game. So we've gone from the smartest basketball minds saying "don't look at blocks, steals, and rebounds. Look at the context" to "look at this metric I've come up with. It distills blocks, steals, and rebounds into a single number. It tells you who the best defenders are." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Odin 137 Report post Posted January 18, 2019 30 minutes ago, ?4thewin said: It's really frustrating to me that I grew up during a time where Marcus Camby was typically a finalist for DPOY because he averaged steals blocks and defensive rebounds but all the really really smart basketball people complained that the old basketball people who vote on that stuff don't understand that he's not really making significant defensive impact at all. He goes for every block and steal and it leaves the defense vulnerable. He struggled in post defense. He was a fine defender but not elite. People criticised Iverson's defense because although he led the league in steals he mostly got them by jumping passing lanes which left his man free for a back door cut. So he'd get 3 steals a game but allowed backdoor layups 4 times a game. So we've gone from the smartest basketball minds saying "don't look at blocks, steals, and rebounds. Look at the context" to "look at this metric I've come up with. It distills blocks, steals, and rebounds into a single number. It tells you who the best defenders are." This is a pretty dumb thing. Theoretically, what if a player grabbed every available defensive rebound but allowed opposing players to shoot 80% against him (with the other 20% being blocks for this unrealistic player). Is this really one of the "smartest basketball minds" writing this though? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted January 18, 2019 52 minutes ago, Odin said: This is a pretty dumb thing. Theoretically, what if a player grabbed every available defensive rebound but allowed opposing players to shoot 80% against him (with the other 20% being blocks for this unrealistic player). Is this really one of the "smartest basketball minds" writing this though? Plenty use similar metrics Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hootie249 293 Report post Posted January 18, 2019 https://streamable.com/zg872 Check out this game winner from Pascal Siakam. How long until Gordon can do this a once or twice a game? Not even talking about it being a game winner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheNameIsOrlando 310 Report post Posted January 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, hootie249 said: https://streamable.com/zg872 Check out this game winner from Pascal Siakam. How long until Gordon can do this a once or twice a game? Not even talking about it being a game winner. Stop please... https://reddit.app.link/9O83zXvdAT Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ML6 520 Report post Posted January 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, hootie249 said: https://streamable.com/zg872 Check out this game winner from Pascal Siakam. How long until Gordon can do this a once or twice a game? Not even talking about it being a game winner. How long until Gordon can make a layup off the dribble? Probably not long considering he does that all the time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hootie249 293 Report post Posted January 18, 2019 12 minutes ago, TheNameIsOrlando said: Stop please... https://reddit.app.link/9O83zXvdAT Saw that game live, everyone commented how awkward it looked. Normally i see Aaron take it to the basket in transition, or off an assist. I watch the games and see far too many plays he should be taking it to the basket. Seems to be indecisive, turnover prone when it's not in transition. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Odin 137 Report post Posted January 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, ?4thewin said: Plenty use similar metrics Are they purely using those metrics though, or do they try to contextualize them within the game? These metrics line up decently well with our understanding of the abilities for some players. But you have Drummond 3rd here, when he has never been a good defender. Drummond always looks good on these though, especially as he grabs a lot of defensive rebounds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tank Vogel 191 Report post Posted January 18, 2019 Whiteside gets played off of the floor half his games and he is on that list Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Odin 137 Report post Posted January 18, 2019 Also: These are just total counting numbers. You play less minutes or get injured for a few games, and suddenly you drop off this list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
