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?4thewin    1,724

I still dispute Elton brand being a bad number one pick. 

I'd be thrilled if we picked a player 1 and only got Elton brand. The clippers wasted his career by pairing him with maggette as their second best guy and he suffered in the pre-internet era as kind of the small market guy in a big market due to the dynastic Lakers playing in the same arena and getting left off all star teams in favor of Shaq, Duncan, Garnett, Dirk, webber, etc. 

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Franchise408    65

It's not the solution. Period.

Your point basically proves it. Success comes from overall team building from all the means available to you. Not by tanking and hoping you get the right pick at the right time. You're putting the entire fate of your franchise on the wings of chance.

Teams that have success used various means at their disposal. The draft is a huge part of that. But tanking for the #1 pick isn't. The most successful team of the moment, and nearing the discussion for the greatest team ever assembled, doesn't have a single #1 pick on it. It has mid lottery picks, a 2nd rounder, and free agents. They never had a single #1 pick.

Philly may or may end up being one of the outliers that has success with tanking. But they are an outlier. Not the trend, and not an example that tanking is a viable philosophy.

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Franchise408    65

First of all, Brand was drafted by the Bulls, not the Clippers. So the fact that you're even talking about the Clippers proves my point about #1 overall picks rarely changing the fortunes of the franchise that drafted them.

Secondly, Elton Brand was a good player, no doubt. But 20 / 10 is hardly franchise changing, and hardly worth setting your organization back for years with a tank philosophy to get him.

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Odin    85
22 minutes ago, Franchise408 said:

It's not the solution. Period.

Your point basically proves it. Success comes from overall team building from all the means available to you. Not by tanking and hoping you get the right pick at the right time. You're putting the entire fate of your franchise on the wings of chance.

Teams that have success used various means at their disposal. The draft is a huge part of that. But tanking for the #1 pick isn't. The most successful team of the moment, and nearing the discussion for the greatest team ever assembled, doesn't have a single #1 pick on it. It has mid lottery picks, a 2nd rounder, and free agents. They never had a single #1 pick.

Philly may or may end up being one of the outliers that has success with tanking. But they are an outlier. Not the trend, and not an example that tanking is a viable philosophy.

You can find a way to make everything an exception if you want to. Tanking doesn't necessarily guarantee success any more than any other option does. But that does not mean it doesn't work.

Do you know how many winning seasons Golden State had in the 10 years before drafting Curry? 2.

And while curry wasn't a top 3 pick, 7 is still pretty high. Name off the best players ever. How many were #1 draft picks? How many were top 3?

You want to be a good team? You have to have a good player. Best way to get a good player if you are bad? Through the draft.

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?4thewin    1,724
2 hours ago, ?4thewin said:

I think we might have had a playoff roster last year. We only had 7 healthy games last year and we went 7-0 in those games where Ross Fournier Isaac Gordon vucevic Simmons and either Augustin or Payton played. 

Now I don't think that means they're contenders or even second round teams but we had really bad luck that led to a significantly more loses than expected

Can we talk about how absurd it is that we only had 7 healthy games and went 7-0

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HeHateMe    595

You know it’s the dog days of summer when you have an all-day debate over how bad our previous GM was or wasn’t. Actually it’s not even debating if he was bad or not it’s figuring out how bad he was lol 

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JustBeCool    1
1 hour ago, ?4thewin said:

Can we talk about how absurd it is that we only had 7 healthy games and went 7-0

Yup. With how efficient Gordon was (before injury), I think we had a good chance of making it. I just wonder if Gordon could've kept going the rest of the season shooting that well.

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magicdoc1    159
18 minutes ago, HeHateMe said:

You know it’s the dog days of summer when you have an all-day debate over how bad our previous GM was or wasn’t. Actually it’s not even debating if he was bad or not it’s figuring out how bad he was lol 

I just dont agree he was that bad tho. At least the first 2 years. The problem really was on the people above him. He started making desperate movesl after his second year which was likely related to the pressure he was getting from people above him(Martin). Things eventually got worse after that. 

On a side note, anyone know anything about Jabari Parker?? What is going on with him? 

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jec    367
3 hours ago, Franchise408 said:

It's not the solution. Period.

Your point basically proves it. Success comes from overall team building from all the means available to you. Not by tanking and hoping you get the right pick at the right time. You're putting the entire fate of your franchise on the wings of chance.

Teams that have success used various means at their disposal. The draft is a huge part of that. But tanking for the #1 pick isn't. The most successful team of the moment, and nearing the discussion for the greatest team ever assembled, doesn't have a single #1 pick on it. It has mid lottery picks, a 2nd rounder, and free agents. They never had a single #1 pick.

Philly may or may end up being one of the outliers that has success with tanking. But they are an outlier. Not the trend, and not an example that tanking is a viable philosophy.

Tanking is a viable philosophy to get good picks. Nobody is saying it's the only way to improve your team. But typically bad teams that have a hard time attracting free agents first have to hit it big in the draft. Drafting higher increases your chances of getting a star. Of course you can draft lower and still get star players. But your odds are better at top. 

 

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The Boss    51
1 minute ago, jec said:

But typically bad teams that have a hard time attracting free agents first have to hit it big in the draft. Drafting higher increases your chances of getting a star. Of course you can draft lower and still get star players. But your odds are better at top. 

Basically this.

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