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1 minute ago, ?4thewin said:

How does trading Biyombo preclude us from making a future move. This makes no sense

logic.

Some people on here get too emotional. 

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2 minutes ago, The Boss said:

IT was going to be all about him this season. All about proving everyone wrong, all about trying to earn a massive pay day this off-season. It would hurt the development of our long term goal for only a potentially minor on court improvement this season (at the expense of getting less shots from Isaac, Gordon and Bamba).

true

IT belongs on a tanking team

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11 minutes ago, ?4thewin said:

No. 

The reason the Spurs (and recently Boston) have sustained success developing players isn't because they have some magical powers to find diamonds. They just do a good job defining roles in their rotation and find players that fit those roles. 

Fit is important. It let's guys outplay their talent. 

Don't even compare the two to us.

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1 minute ago, Magicfan1987 said:

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IT belongs on a tanking team

Or on a good teams second unit behind a high level point guard. Basically limit his minutes on his bad days when the hip is acting up. Play him big minutes when he's feeling good. 

He's not an every night starter anymore. 

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7 minutes ago, The Boss said:

IT was going to be all about him this season. All about proving everyone wrong, all about trying to earn a massive pay day this off-season. It would hurt the development of our long term goal for only a potentially minor on court improvement this season (at the expense of getting less shots from Isaac, Gordon and Bamba).

We *want* less shots for those guys.

Those guys are not, and should not be considered or relied upon as #1 scoring options. We should not be developing a team or a system that considers them to be #1 scoring options.

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10 minutes ago, ?4thewin said:

Yes it did. A little bit. 

 

Yes it did. 

 

Nah, it opens up more minutes for Birch. 

 

Eh. Probably. But what he gives us is a different look. Bamba is a beanpole. Birch is smallish but mobile. Biyombo struggled with size. What mozgov gives us is a giant that fills gaps in the games of our other centers though he should rarely play. 

 

How does trading Biyombo preclude us from making a future move. This makes no sense

-I don't see how we are better. Even a little bit. We got a worse center, and did not improve the PG position. We are the same at best.

-Mozgov and Biyombo are on the same number of years. So Mozgov is not an expiring contract. He is only $1 million cheaper this year, and not even $1 million cheaper next year. The smaller dollar figure is entirely insignificant. We are still in the same cap situation.

-By getting Grant, we are not going to get a legitimate point guard, either in the form of Isaiah Thomas, who we should have been getting, or anyone else who is a competent starter at the position.

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3 minutes ago, Franchise408 said:

We *want* less shots for those guys.

Those guys are not, and should not be considered or relied upon as #1 scoring options. We should not be developing a team or a system that considers them to be #1 scoring options.

So how are we supposed to develop their offense if we don't give them shots ?!?

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Just now, Franchise408 said:

We *want* less shots for those guys.

Those guys are not, and should not be considered or relied upon as #1 scoring options. We should not be developing a team or a system that considers them to be #1 scoring options.

No, you are thinking about this all wrong.

It isn’t that we want less shots for any specific guy- it’s about how we want the offense to function. With an IT type player, you are going to get a very iso-centric ball dominate type offense, where everything basically goes through him.

with our current players, we should hope for a passing heavy, motion offense. The ball shouldn’t stick to any one players hand. This is basically what we were doing at the beginning of last year until injuries and such dragged us away from that style of play. We shouldn’t want a ball dominant inefficient player who gets others involved as a secondary focus to his own inefficient scoring.

 

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Just now, Odin said:

No, you are thinking about this all wrong.

It isn’t that we want less shots for any specific guy- it’s about how we want the offense to function. With an IT type player, you are going to get a very iso-centric ball dominate type offense, where everything basically goes through him.

with our current players, we should hope for a passing heavy, motion offense. The ball shouldn’t stick to any one players hand. This is basically what we were doing at the beginning of last year until injuries and such dragged us away from that style of play. We shouldn’t want a ball dominant inefficient player who gets others involved as a secondary focus to his own inefficient scoring.

 

Exactly, we got 2 new pgs who can defend and pass, so we can limit ISO plays especially for AG.

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17 minutes ago, Magicman28 said:

Don't even compare the two to us.

Why not? They have a successful model that is worth replicating.

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3 minutes ago, Franchise408 said:

-I don't see how we are better. Even a little bit. We got a worse center, and did not improve the PG position. We are the same at best.

-Mozgov and Biyombo are on the same number of years. So Mozgov is not an expiring contract. He is only $1 million cheaper this year, and not even $1 million cheaper next year. The smaller dollar figure is entirely insignificant. We are still in the same cap situation.

-By getting Grant, we are not going to get a legitimate point guard, either in the form of Isaiah Thomas, who we should have been getting, or anyone else who is a competent starter at the position.

Biyombo was the worst rotation player on the team last year. It's addition by subtraction. 

Grant is a better Mack. Slight improvement there. 

That's still saving money. 

Grant doesn't prevent us from doing anything lol. He's a filler player. You're naive if you think management is saying "man (all star point guard) just became available. It's too bad we just got jerian Grant and now we can't trade for him". 

 

Isaiah Thomas was a really bad player last year and is still rehabbing from hip surgery.

We're like Knicks fans trying to justify Derrick Rose here. Wanting Isaiah Thomas isn't wanting a solution at point guard. It's myopia and blind hope. 

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7 minutes ago, Odin said:

With an IT type player, you are going to get a very iso-centric ball dominate type offense, where everything basically goes through him.

And a player that leaves the following year providing no continuity

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