Murphy13 185 Report post Posted March 29, 2018 26 minutes ago, JJZFL said: I believe team has a better w-l when Vuch doesn’t play. I don’t know if that’s true or not; we’d be splitting hairs of crap relativity if we went down that road anyway. He’s our best and most efficient offensive player so it makes sense regardless of how bad we are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Odin 137 Report post Posted March 29, 2018 8 minutes ago, Murphy13 said: I don’t know if that’s true or not; we’d be splitting hairs of crap relativity if we went down that road anyway. He’s our best and most efficient offensive player so it makes sense regardless of how bad we are. No he isn't? I mean, this is just easily searchable. Using EFG%, he is below both Fournier and Augustin. Use TS% he drops behind Simmons and Biyombo (!?!) and is virtually tied with Mario. (Gordon is a hair behind.) And this is the most efficient he has ever been. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fan for too long 2 527 Report post Posted March 29, 2018 Vogel “vooch has to touch it every time down the floor, it’s in both our contracts”. As frank leaves the magic office for the last Time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Murphy13 185 Report post Posted March 29, 2018 38 minutes ago, Odin said: No he isn't? I mean, this is just easily searchable. Using EFG%, he is below both Fournier and Augustin. Use TS% he drops behind Simmons and Biyombo (!?!) and is virtually tied with Mario. (Gordon is a hair behind.) And this is the most efficient he has ever been. You have to take usage into consideration. The only one of those players that comes close is Fournier, and he isn’t playing. The others are bench players which brings relevance of the stat into question and then AG. He’s clearly not there. Nik is our best offensive player, but that just shows how bleh our offense is when considering our defense is a joke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Better DJ & Photographer 450 Report post Posted March 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Murphy13 said: I don’t know if that’s true or not; we’d be splitting hairs of crap relativity if we went down that road anyway. He’s our best and most efficient offensive player so it makes sense regardless of how bad we are. His offense is irrelevant if what he gives up on defense makes it a wash or a net loss. I have this permanent vision locked in my head of Vuc with his arms straight out from his sides watching players go past him for layup drills and a how did they do that look on his face. Our team sucks without defense in the middle and moving Vuc either off the team or to the bench should be a priority this offseason. If we don't draft a 5 I'm fine with developing Birch with Biz off the bench. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Franchero MVP 391 Report post Posted March 29, 2018 4 hours ago, ROCK LEGENDS PHOTOGRAPHERS said: His offense is irrelevant if what he gives up on defense makes it a wash or a net loss. I have this permanent vision locked in my head of Vuc with his arms straight out from his sides watching players go past him for layup drills and a how did they do that look on his face. Our team sucks without defense in the middle and moving Vuc either off the team or to the bench should be a priority this offseason. If we don't draft a 5 I'm fine with developing Birch with Biz off the bench. And those open layups to start the game kill our momentum and will for the rest of the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magicfan1987 266 Report post Posted March 29, 2018 4 hours ago, ROCK LEGENDS PHOTOGRAPHERS said: His offense is irrelevant if what he gives up on defense makes it a wash or a net loss. I have this permanent vision locked in my head of Vuc with his arms straight out from his sides watching players go past him for layup drills and a how did they do that look on his face. Our team sucks without defense in the middle and moving Vuc either off the team or to the bench should be a priority this offseason. If we don't draft a 5 I'm fine with developing Birch with Biz off the bench. in <376 days Nikola will no longer play for the Magic. smile. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJZFL 611 Report post Posted March 29, 2018 34 minutes ago, Magicfan1987 said: in <376 days Nikola will no longer play for the Magic. smile. Hopefully a lot less than 376. If we have to watch his listless effort for another season it may be too much for me. +1 from me for ROCK’s post above. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Murphy13 185 Report post Posted March 29, 2018 5 hours ago, ROCK LEGENDS PHOTOGRAPHERS said: His offense is irrelevant if what he gives up on defense makes it a wash or a net loss. I have this permanent vision locked in my head of Vuc with his arms straight out from his sides watching players go past him for layup drills and a how did they do that look on his face. Our team sucks without defense in the middle and moving Vuc either off the team or to the bench should be a priority this offseason. If we don't draft a 5 I'm fine with developing Birch with Biz off the bench. Defense or lack thereof is irrelevant to the conversation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJZFL 611 Report post Posted March 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, Murphy13 said: Defense or lack thereof is irrelevant to the conversation. Oh? Why is that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Justin Jaudon 221 Report post Posted March 29, 2018 Interesting tidbit for everyone who thinks Vuc is our only problem on D. In the Skiles year, we were a decent defensive team with Vuc starting 60 games, playing 31 min a game (and Fournier starting over 70, for that matter). In Vaughn's second year, we were a decent defensive team with Vuc starting 57 games and playing 31 min a game. Perhaps there's more to it than Vuc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Murphy13 185 Report post Posted March 29, 2018 Just now, JJZFL said: Oh? Why is that? Because we were talking about who to run the offense through. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites