fan for too long 2 527 Report post Posted January 5, 2018 23 minutes ago, Payton4thewin said: No. This isn't a style problem. Its a "you only have a finite amount of speeches to give players and they don't work the third or fourth time" problem. I am not talking style. And speeches don't do sh**. It's the person and their message that resonates to the players receiving it. Not only the message but the person delivering it. You have to believe in the coach and that person who is the coach. You have to respect what they have done and believe they have greater knowledge than yourself and can relay that knowledge to you in a way you can grasp it and incorporate it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted January 5, 2018 19 minutes ago, fan for too long 2 said: I am not talking style. And speeches don't do sh**. It's the person and their message that resonates to the players receiving it. Not only the message but the person delivering it. You have to believe in the coach and that person who is the coach. You have to respect what they have done and believe they have greater knowledge than yourself and can relay that knowledge to you in a way you can grasp it and incorporate it. Yes. Because all the great coaches had nba experience lol. Also you criticize me mentioning a coaches message then go on to state the importance of the message. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fan for too long 2 527 Report post Posted January 5, 2018 29 minutes ago, Payton4thewin said: Yes. Because all the great coaches had nba experience lol. Also you criticize me mentioning a coaches message then go on to state the importance of the message. You said style and no all great coaches did not have nba playing exp. but most in the past 20 years, pop excluded, have. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Soul Bro 1,409 Report post Posted January 5, 2018 Guys, sorry to jump in here, but I’ve got style. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJZFL 611 Report post Posted January 5, 2018 2 hours ago, Payton4thewin said: That's the thing though. That's why i said Vogel might get fired. Win or lose a coaches value only comes from getting guys to buy in. Basically its not a symptom of losing. The losing is a catalyst for the change. Coaches that still have the locker room can still maintain that trust during losing streaks. I completely agree with this. I guess the question then is why Vogel might be losing the locker room while coaches for other losing teams aren't. Is it Vogel, is it our players, or is it some combination of both? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheNameIsOrlando 310 Report post Posted January 5, 2018 10 minutes ago, JJZFL said: I completely agree with this. I guess the question then is why Vogel might be losing the locker room while coaches for other losing teams aren't. Is it Vogel, is it our players, or is it some combination of both? Our last 3 coaches have lost the lockeroom to some extent. The one constant throughout it all have been the ****ty players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fan for too long 2 527 Report post Posted January 5, 2018 8 minutes ago, TheNameIsOrlando said: Our last 3 coaches have lost the lockeroom to some extent. The one constant throughout it all have been the ****ty players. How many have been here through all 3 coaches. Those u can throw under the bus if u choose but all our current players have not been here that long. Oh and those 3 coaches are not world beaters. 2 are not head coaches right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheNameIsOrlando 310 Report post Posted January 5, 2018 14 minutes ago, fan for too long 2 said: How many have been here through all 3 coaches. Those u can throw under the bus if u choose but all our current players have not been here that long. Oh and those 3 coaches are not world beaters. 2 are not head coaches right now. Every "leader" of this team has been here. Who cares if they're world beaters. The one constant to this terrible team is the players. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magicman28 295 Report post Posted January 5, 2018 EP and Vuch have been here through all 3. The same two that conversations are consistently had about replacing. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJZFL 611 Report post Posted January 5, 2018 21 minutes ago, TheNameIsOrlando said: Every "leader" of this team has been here. Who cares if they're world beaters. The one constant to this terrible team is the players. 20 minutes ago, Magicman28 said: EP and Vuch have been here through all 3. The same two that conversations are consistently had about replacing. I agree. It's why I speculated in an earlier post about at least some of our players being somewhat uncoachable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted January 5, 2018 1 hour ago, JJZFL said: I completely agree with this. I guess the question then is why Vogel might be losing the locker room while coaches for other losing teams aren't. Is it Vogel, is it our players, or is it some combination of both? The only one who hasn't is really brown in Philly. Phoenix and Memphis fired their coaches for this reason. Sacramento is playing considerably worse than even we are so you have to figure they're tuning out Joeger. The Lakers haven't really shown a commitment to following the teaching of Walton. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Close 63 Report post Posted January 6, 2018 On 1/5/2018 at 10:37 AM, Soul Bro said: Guys, sorry to jump in here, but I’ve got style. I agree as long as I get a job on your staff lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites