Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted November 6, 2017 If we want to replace ross as a starter, Isaac ous the better fit. However he makes a lot of mistakes right now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Odin 137 Report post Posted November 6, 2017 4 minutes ago, Payton4thewin said: If we want to replace ross as a starter, Isaac ous the better fit. However he makes a lot of mistakes right now Are his mistakes worse than Ross' very poor shooting? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
All Eyes On Me 1,183 Report post Posted November 6, 2017 25 minutes ago, Odin said: Are his mistakes worse than Ross' very poor shooting? I made the joke many times tonight that Ross left his shot in Canada. He does do a ton of things that contribute to winning though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Justin Jaudon 221 Report post Posted November 6, 2017 Was at the game tonight. It could be confirmation bias, but it seemed clear to me the major issue, just like against Chicago, was not having a PG who understood how to run the team the way it had been successful the previous games. I don't think it's a coincidence that we lost DJ, who had been starting, and who has been with the team since last off-season and despite his limitations at least seemed successful so far this year in setting up an offense that focused on using ball-movement to get good shots; and after losing him we suddenly became a team the last two games of "pass, pound the ball, hand it to someone else, pound the ball, pass it to someone else, pound the ball, take a bad shot". That's not to say that I really dislike Mack. He played alright, and he is an asset as a backup PG. I obviously like Simmons, too. But our bench unit has not been successful in the same way that our starting unit had been. The bench unit, when we were playing great ball, was based on solid D, scrappy play, and Simmons being able to punish teams going at the bucket. Put Simmons into the starting lineup and he messes up the entire dynamic of ball-movement and finding good shots quickly that made the previous SL so good. The bench unit, without Simmons, has no one to go get buckets, so Mack has to pick up that role, which he's somewhat capable of, but not enough to sustain it the way Simmons has (he just can't attack the basket as efficiently, and he's not good enough at finding shooters, even if our second unit had really good ones. Because we couldn't rely on a PG to set up the offense, in the last two game we've had two guys who seemed to be trying to force bad offense through pounding hero ball. Against Chicago, Aaron looked frustrated and yet determined to make that bad offense work (and no one else was moving the ball, so he just kept doing it, though he at least didn't take a ton of shots). Tonight, Fournier took 9 threes, most of them not good shots, trying to force it. Aaron took too many bad shots early, before it dawned on him that getting all the way to the basket was better than taking a contested pull-up jumper. I don't think these things happen if a legitimate starting PG is there tonight. I'm concerned with how we've played the last two games, but not overly so. I think we really need to see what this team looks like when Payton returns before anyone panics. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BiggestMagicFanEver 0 Report post Posted November 6, 2017 The Magic have played very bad offense the last two games. Having two injured point guards likely indeed the cause. People shouldn't panic, like has been said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheNameIsOrlando 310 Report post Posted November 6, 2017 2 hours ago, Payton4thewin said: Ross will hit shots eventually Even if he doesn't what he does do is enough to keep him in his current role. On a side note all of this panic is pretty unnecessary. We are without 2 PGs the most important position. I take the games without Payton and Augustine with a grain of salt win or lose. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Franchero MVP 391 Report post Posted November 6, 2017 9 hours ago, TheNameIsOrlando said: Even if he doesn't what he does do is enough to keep him in his current role. On a side note all of this panic is pretty unnecessary. We are without 2 PGs the most important position. I take the games without Payton and Augustine with a grain of salt win or lose. I’m more concerned with how we lost to be honest. We gave up on the defensive end when the offense wasn’t rolling. not a good habit for teams who want to win Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted November 6, 2017 27 minutes ago, Gordon MVP said: I’m more concerned with how we lost to be honest. We gave up on the defensive end when the offense wasn’t rolling. not a good habit for teams who want to win No we didn't. We got stops and kept the deficit manageable but the mack - Fournier - hezonja - Isaac - biyombo lineup couldn't manage the Larkin - rozier - smart - morris - baynes lineup in the fourth Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magicman28 295 Report post Posted November 6, 2017 Personally I'm just slightly concerned with Fournier and AG. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted November 6, 2017 38 minutes ago, Magicman28 said: Personally I'm just slightly concerned with Fournier and AG. I think it's manifesting itself more without a point guard. Gordon's usage is 18.5 over the past 3 games. That needs to be higher. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Odin 137 Report post Posted November 6, 2017 6 minutes ago, Payton4thewin said: I think it's manifesting itself more without a point guard. Gordon's usage is 18.5 over the past 3 games. That needs to be higher. He was criminally underused last game with Ross, Fournier, and Vuch forcing up bad shots and stopping ball movement. I saw a number of times that he was either completely open or mostly open, but someone would force up a shot rather than get the ball to him. Neither Simmons nor Mack have the vision to be a point guard for major minutes, and none of our players, besides Payton and maybe Augustin, can operate as anything more than a secondary ball handler. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted November 6, 2017 4 minutes ago, Odin said: He was criminally underused last game with Ross, Fournier, and Vuch forcing up bad shots and stopping ball movement. I saw a number of times that he was either completely open or mostly open, but someone would force up a shot rather than get the ball to him. Neither Simmons nor Mack have the vision to be a point guard for major minutes, and none of our players, besides Payton and maybe Augustin, can operate as anything more than a secondary ball handler. Mack has mostly been fine but he's deferring the ball handing responsibilities too much. Basically he's playing the exact same way he did when he was playing backup next to Simmons instead of pushing the ball more and attacking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites