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magicblue    217
9 minutes ago, Mike1989 said:

 It wouldn't surprise me if we did try our best to not max out AG, but in order to retain his services I think we are going to be hard pressed not to max him out. There will be teams out there that will covet his services like Sacramento. They have no first round pick next year. They already have their PG in Fox and SG in Bogdanovic, and some decent big prospects in Cauley-Stein, Giles, Skal (etc) to utilize. Their main weakness is at both forward slots and depending on how the draft falls they could fill one of them with Porter, Bagley or Bridges, and think their best option is to max out AG.

If that occurs it leaves us in an awkward position. Do we max out a player we don't really want to max? Or do we work out a deal that sends him to Sacramento while we get something in return? It's a tough scenario but I could see us deciding to try and get a sign and trade deal if we really want Porter or Bagley to pair with Isaac because we think AG has reached his ceiling. I personally would rather see us max out AG and continue to build with him because we all saw what happened to Oladipo when we let him go. He became that star elsewhere. If that happened with AG it would be tough to stomach.

To be honest I don't see us being major players in free agency in 2019 or even in 2020. We have talked about free agency on the boards in years gone past, like wanting a top tier guy like Kevin Durant, or looking at more "realistic" alternatives like Paul Millsap and Al Hordford. Any time we have tired to go big in free agency we have failed to tempt any franchise changing talent to come to us, instead we end up with players like Channing Frye and Bismack Biyombo. 

For me, I would rather see us take a gamble and max out AG hoping he can break out and be a star, or at least become a good second option. I just don't feel confident in gambling on free agency because we aren't a big time draw. It is going to be tough to draw players here over other teams even if Isaac breaks out and we land our Donovan Mitchell. So I'd like to see us invest in AG and our young talent and bet on them making the jump together. 

Like I said before, maintaining AG as an asset is the right move...even at near max/max money. Of course we should try to get him for less than the max, but if it comes down to letting him walk or matching a max offer we have to match. Either he becomes a legit star or we use him in a package to get another player that fits our roster in the future. I’m still hopeful we can get him at $22’ish per and perhaps on a front loaded contract to maintain a bit more flexibility 3-4 years from now

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Mike1989    39
1 minute ago, magicblue said:

Like I said before, maintaining AG as an asset is the right move...even at near max/max money. Of course we should try to get him for less than the max, but if it comes down to letting him walk or matching a max offer we have to match. Either he becomes a legit star or we use him in a package to get another player that fits our roster in the future. I’m still hopeful we can get him at $22’ish per and perhaps on a front loaded contract to maintain a bit more flexibility 3-4 years from now

It would be nice if we could get him for less than a max, or on a deal that is favorable to us long term, but I suspect some team is going to make it expensive for us to bring him back. He's exactly the type of player teams are going to want to take a gamble on, hardworking and lots of upside. 

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Gordon MVP    263
1 hour ago, magicblue said:

Like I said before, maintaining AG as an asset is the right move...even at near max/max money. Of course we should try to get him for less than the max, but if it comes down to letting him walk or matching a max offer we have to match. Either he becomes a legit star or we use him in a package to get another player that fits our roster in the future. I’m still hopeful we can get him at $22’ish per and perhaps on a front loaded contract to maintain a bit more flexibility 3-4 years from now

Exactly. Not getting this done would be an extremely bone headed move by new management. 

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Don't look now but Philly,  without Embiid, wins by 27 last night.  They are reminding me a lot of our 1994-1995 team that went to the Finals.   Their confidence level seems sky high and they are on a roll.  They will get less than full strength Celtics in the semi's.

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9 minutes ago, WarDamnMagic said:

Who do you think will get paid more this summer Marcus smart or rozier?

Marcus smart as rozier isn't up this year

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jjgator    97

Cavs get thoroughly destroyed by Pacers. I'm happy seeing Dipo doing so well, but it just sucks thinking what could have been. Hennigan really looks like a complete buffoon.

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Magicfan1987    104
24 minutes ago, jjgator said:

Cavs get thoroughly destroyed by Pacers. I'm happy seeing Dipo doing so well, but it just sucks thinking what could have been. Hennigan really looks like a complete buffoon.

to be somewhat fair, a lot of things had to happen to get this Dipo.

1)Learn under Westbrook.

2) return to a town that loves him.

3) Be given the keys to a decently rostered vet filled vehicle.

4) have less pressure than in OKC or Orlando 

5) Have something to prove after being traded in back to back seasons

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jjgator    97
11 minutes ago, Magicfan1987 said:

to be somewhat fair, a lot of things had to happen to get this Dipo.

1)Learn under Westbrook.

2) return to a town that loves him.

3) Be given the keys to a decently rostered vet filled vehicle.

4) have less pressure than in OKC or Orlando 

5) Have something to prove after being traded in back to back seasons

True, I guess, but people could see Oladipo had the potential to be great some day when he was here. Some of the amazing games he had here were really special. Hennigan really should have seen that. We basically have Aaron Gordon and a few bad contracts to show for his tenure(although us maybe losing Mario isn't on him).

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19 minutes ago, Magicfan1987 said:

to be somewhat fair, a lot of things had to happen to get this Dipo.

1)Learn under Westbrook.

2) return to a town that loves him.

3) Be given the keys to a decently rostered vet filled vehicle.

4) have less pressure than in OKC or Orlando 

5) Have something to prove after being traded in back to back seasons

Not having to play with defensive sieves at both center and PG changes things a lot too. VO had a lot of pressure here to both score and attempt to defend the whole back court. 

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jjgator    97
8 minutes ago, ROCK LEGENDS PHOTOGRAPHERS said:

Not having to play with defensive sieves at both center and PG changes things a lot too. VO had a lot of pressure here to both score and attempt to defend the whole back court. 

True, but the fact we had defensive sieves at both center and PG was on Hennigan as well. Plus Payton's D wasn't that terrible back then was it? He seemed to get lazier on that end as time went on.

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