2017-2018 Official Season Discussion Thread

[SlightlyOdway 1]

1 hour ago, Originalticketholder said:

So why did we not tender Hezonja for $5 million which is cheap by today's standards???  I am on record saying, before the season, that I loved his potential.  Unrestricted FA now.  If he keeps playing like this what would it cost to resign him if he even would consider us?  Never given the same opportunity as Gordon!  Potentially another Reddick!!!  Sad!!!!

Go read what P4TW wrote in the game thread. We can't offer more than the 5.4m / 1yr qualifying offer.

So if he keeps playing like this (big "if") we can't resign him

 

[magicdoc1 261]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine

Playing with the trading machine. Not sure that Denver will do it unless we include a first,  but this will fortify our bench significantly

[Fultz4thewin 2,464]

6 minutes ago, magicdoc1 said:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine

Playing with the trading machine. Not sure that Denver will do it unless we include a first,  but this will fortify our bench significantly

Forgot to link the trade 

[magicdoc1 261]

1 minute ago, Payton4thewin said:

Forgot to link the trade 

Ohh. It was 

Denver: Faried, Mudiay, Barton

Orl: Fournier, Augustin, Mario

 

[Odin 137]

6 minutes ago, magicdoc1 said:

Ohh. It was 

Denver: Faried, Mudiay, Barton

Orl: Fournier, Augustin, Mario

 

Don't see this substantially changing anything for us. Barton is fairly similar to Fournier (slightly better maybe, but not substantially so), Augustin is better than Mudiay, and when everyone is healthy, there aren't any minutes for Faried.

[Fultz4thewin 2,464]

18 minutes ago, magicdoc1 said:

Ohh. It was 

Denver: Faried, Mudiay, Barton

Orl: Fournier, Augustin, Mario

 

That makes us worse. 

Augustin is better than mudiay.  Fournier is better than Barton.  Faried doesn't really fit.  I guess you could play him at center.  But you don't really get defense or spacing with faried so are you better off just playing vucevic? 

 

[Fultz4thewin 2,464]

I'd see if they'd do Beasley and Lydon for Payton and speights or something like that

[magicdoc1 261]

 

22 minutes ago, Payton4thewin said:

That makes us worse. 

Augustin is better than mudiay.  Fournier is better than Barton.  Faried doesn't really fit.  I guess you could play him at center.  But you don't really get defense or spacing with faried so are you better off just playing vucevic? 

 

I dont know why you can say that since We can’t be worse than what we currently are.  I disagree with you here.

I like Barton a lot. Extremely aggressive in the defensive end and doesnt mind to be the 3rd or even 4th offensive option.  I give Barton an edge over Fournier and he only gets paid 3.5 million per year.

Mudiay and Dj is a wash for me. Still, I think Mudiay running the point in a different team is what he needs. Just like Dunn is doing now with Chicago. Also better contract situation at 3 million per year.

Faried is the key here. Great energy guy who can play 4 and 5 off the bench on a contract friendly at 13 per year til 2019. He can play next to Vuc and AG as he doesnt look for outside/3 point shots.

[Fultz4thewin 2,464]

27 minutes ago, magicdoc1 said:

 

I dont know why you can say that since We can’t be worse than what we currently are.  I disagree with you here.

I like Barton a lot. Extremely aggressive in the defensive end and doesnt mind to be the 3rd or even 4th offensive option.  I give Barton an edge over Fournier and he only gets paid 3.5 million per year.

Mudiay and Dj is a wash for me. Still, I think Mudiay running the point in a different team is what he needs. Just like Dunn is doing now with Chicago. Also better contract situation at 3 million per year.

Faried is the key here. Great energy guy who can play 4 and 5 off the bench on a contract friendly at 13 per year til 2019. He can play next to Vuc and AG as he doesnt look for outside/3 point shots.

You're just wrong.  We're bad because half the roster is injured.  It can get much worse

Barton makes nothing but is on an expiring contract.  We'd have to pay him like Fournier next summer.  

Mudiay doesn't need a different team.  He's just not good.  Just like he was not good in China.  Dunn isn't all that good in Chicago.  He's ok.  He needed a new scenery because he had to compete with Rubio for minutes. 

[The Neighborhood Bully 266]

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The Magic have been struggling to find their footing this season, with difficulties staying healthy and putting out their ideal roster on the court night after night. Terrence Ross has been out with a right knee injury, Aaron Gordon has missed time recently with a concussion, and Jonathan Isaac has missed significant time with an ankle injury. Evan Fournier is out tonight with an ankle injury of his own. Elfrid Payton and DJ Augustin have missed time as well. This year’s team has not been able to put a consistent roster on the floor, preventing any serious chemistry from forming. The defense has suffered as a result. One type of player missing from the Magic roster is a defensive minded guard, with a knack for scoring. While Ross is known for his defense, the scoring is not fully there. It may be a lot to ask for, but one former member of the Magic fits the mold nearly perfectly.

If an NBA rookie scores 13.8 points, grabs 4.1 rebounds, and dishes out 4.1 assists in his first reason, those are typically regarded as spectacular numbers. Not necessarily a lock for Rookie of the Year, but good enough numbers to make on think that this player has all-star potential. What about year two? Some players endure a sophomore slump, while others flourish as they grow accustomed to the rigors of the NBA travel schedule and increased number of games. This anonymous player scored 17.9 points per game, to finish second on his team while maintaining similar rebound and assist numbers from the previous year. In year three, with two fewer two-point field goal attempts per game and one fewer free throw attempt per game, he averaged 16 points per game, with more rebounds (4.8). Not all-star numbers, but enough to solidify a starting position for the foreseeable future, one would presume. 17-point per game players are not guaranteed with a lottery pick, and to pick the most overused of clichés, they certainly do not grow on trees.

In year five, with the title of go-to-guy, he has blossomed into a 24-point per game player, with the defense to match. The first all-star nod of his career would be justified, as he has helped position his team firmly into the think of the Eastern Conference. Have you figured out who this future all-star is? If not, he’s been traded twice in the last year. If still nothing, he played his college ball at Indiana University, which that year became one of only two teams to defeat a juggernaut Kentucky roster led by Anthony Davis and three other first round picks. He is Victor Oladipo, and he is exactly the type of player the Magic need on their roster.

Oladipo put up respectable numbers over the course of his three-year run with the Magic. It’s not as if he wasn’t given the chance to shine either, as he led the team in minutes in both his second and third seasons. His three-point shot wasn’t fully developed yet, and although still a work in progress, he is connecting at a rate much higher than his career average this season.

The Magic have been subpar on defense, allowing the most points per game in the Eastern Conference at 110.6. On offense, they are in need of a scoring guard who can simultaneously play lock-down defense. Oladipo covers both of these categories. While the Magic aren’t getting Oladipo back, this is the type of player they need if they want to make any strides in the Eastern Conference.

Aaron Gordon, Evan Fournier, Nikola Vucevic, and Jonathan Simmons have made up the majority of the scoring for the Magic this season. While Fournier has played well this season, the Magic are in need of a defensive minded guard who can also provide them with 15 to 20 points per night. Someone needs to be in the rotation to complement Fournier, to provide another consistent threat opposing teams have to worry about when conducting their scouting reports.

The Magic have holes to fill, and suggesting this type of guard will trampoline Orlando to contender status is a stretch. However, it is a good place to start. While the Magic may be able to claw their way to a .500 record this year if they are able to stay healthy, nothing more will come of it unless another player is added to the mix.

https://hashtagbasketball.com/orlando-magic/content/help-wanted-defensive-minded-scoring-guard

[Magicman28 295]

5 minutes ago, The Neighborhood Bully said:

https://hashtagbasketball.com/orlando-magic/content/help-wanted-defensive-minded-scoring-guard

So his answer is to trade for the guy we traded who's playing like an all star for a team that needs an all star as much as we do?

The ***** is he on?

[Fultz4thewin 2,464]

6 minutes ago, The Neighborhood Bully said:

https://hashtagbasketball.com/orlando-magic/content/help-wanted-defensive-minded-scoring-guard

Every team would love a two way guard who can put up 15-20 a night.  But those guys are rare and people just don't shop them around regularly.