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Payton4thewin    1,158

Its still absurd Gordon is only getting 10 shots most nights and 12.2 for the year. Jusef Nurkic gets more shots. Its not like he needs 20 per game like giannis or porzingis but he should be in the Middleton, warren, hardaway, Harris range.  16ish per game

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Odin    29
32 minutes ago, Payton4thewin said:

Its still absurd Gordon is only getting 10 shots most nights and 12.2 for the year. Jusef Nurkic gets more shots. Its not like he needs 20 per game like giannis or porzingis but he should be in the Middleton, warren, hardaway, Harris range.  16ish per game

Somehow, on 12.2 shots per game, he is still averaging over 17 points a game, which is some pretty decent efficiency.

Fournier is taking almost 14 to only score a little more, and Vuch is averaging 14.3 to score almost a point less per game.

Again, it is criminal that Gordon has the 6th highest usage rate on the team (taking out Iwundu and Birch for limited minutes). Maybe he shouldn't have the highest, but it should easily be second or third.

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Magicman28    163
1 hour ago, ROCK LEGENDS PHOTOGRAPHERS said:

I want us to trade Vuc, Mario, and EP. We need a PG that can shoot, a center that can defend without being a liability on offense, and Mario to just be gone. I think Fournier is still salvageable. I would also trade our pick for the right guy in a deal.

I'm done with Fournier. His attitude is toxic to a team. He should've given AG props. He didn't criticize Vuch's 41 point game.

Forget that. Ship buddy ball out of here and let's build around AG.

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Magicman28    163
43 minutes ago, Payton4thewin said:

Its still absurd Gordon is only getting 10 shots most nights and 12.2 for the year. Jusef Nurkic gets more shots. Its not like he needs 20 per game like giannis or porzingis but he should be in the Middleton, warren, hardaway, Harris range.  16ish per game

It's not going to change because you have two starters who's game consists of only taking shots. Without that, they're worthless.

Its why they need to be moved.

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jec    338
9 minutes ago, Magicman28 said:

It's not going to change because you have two starters who's game consists of only taking shots. Without that, they're worthless.

Its why they need to be moved.

Unfortunately nobody wants a black hole offensive center who can't defend. 

At this point I wouldn't care if AG took 20 shots a game. At least it wouldn't be a complete waste.

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Magicman28    163
16 minutes ago, jec said:

Unfortunately nobody wants a black hole offensive center who can't defend. 

At this point I wouldn't care if AG took 20 shots a game. At least it wouldn't be a complete waste.

I understand but at some point we have to find a way.

Seems like other GM's do. It's time we execute what's needed as well.

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Odin    29

So, because I am bored, I have decided to try to figure out how good Gordon is in terms of his current ability and future potential. I will value him by going team by team and determining, as unbiased as possible, whether or not we would trade Gordon for players straight up. (Scale: Definitely- almost 100% we would trade him, Probably- about 75% chance we would trade him (would need a little thought), Maybe- 50% chance (both teams would probably think about it), probably not- we might think a bit, but wouldn't pull the trigger). I am not taking contracts into account here- this is a pure one for one type deal.

Atlanta- None

Boston- Irving: Definitely, Tatum: probably not, (Healthy Hayward would be a Maybe)

Brooklyn- None

Charlotte- Walker: Maybe

Chicago- None

Cleveland- Lebron: Definitely, Love: Maybe

Dallas- None

Denver- Jokic: Probably, Millsap: probably not

Detroit- Drummond: Maybe

Golden State- Curry: Definitely, Durant: Definitely, Thompson: Maybe, Green: Maybe

Houston- Harden: Definitely, Capela: Maybe, Paul: Maybe

Indiana- Oladipo: Maybe, Turner: Probably not, Sabonis: Probably not

LA Clippers- Griffin: Maybe, Jordan, Probably not

LA Lakers- None

Memphis- None

Miami- Whiteside: Probably

Milwaukee- Giannis: Definitely

Minnesota- Towns: Definitely?, Butler: maybe, Wiggins: Probably not

New Orleans- Davis: Definitely, Cousins: Probably not (only because of character concerns)

New York- Porzingis: Definitely

Oklahoma City- Westbrook: Definitely, George: Maybe, Adams: Maybe

Philadelphia- Embiid: Probably (Injury concerns only), Simmons: Probably?, Saric: Definitely (JK)

Phoenix- Booker: Probably not

Portland- Lillard: Probably, McCollum: Maybe

Sacramento- None

San Antonio- Leonard: Definitely

Toronto- DeRozan: Maybe

Utah- Gobert: Probably

Washington- Wall: Probably, Beal: Maybe, Porter: Maybe

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Odin    29

By my count, that is 11 players you definitely trade Gordon for and 6 that you probably trade him for and 16 you maybe trade him for.

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