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Wouldn't we have no issues moving Gordon in 1/2/3 years if it didn't work out with Isaac and we'd prefer to stick with Isaac? This assuming Gordon slowly continues to improve? He would still be a valuable player even on a max wouldn't he? We'd be able to get something decent back instead of nothing for him now. The argument could be that we could possibly get more with cap saved now by not signing him for the max, but who would we be realistically signing this summer or next summer if we didn't re-sign AG?

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I concur with your analysis, AG will probably get near max as he is one of the top RFA. Do we want to tie up that much money on a player who has overlapping talent as JI? I would like to make a run at McCollum; but he may not have the length that this front office looks for.

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54 minutes ago, ?4thewin said:

They have the ability to play both Isaac and Gordon at pf long term.  

If they pay Gordon, he's the starter for the next however many years. Sure we can bring Isaac off the bench and on a rookie contract that is affordable, but that could hinder Isaac's development and waste his perceived upside.

It would ultimately come down to which player the front office believe has the greater potential and which one will have the greater impact on the win column. If that's seen to be Gordon, it is possible Isaac is moved at some point in the future unless he can play SF or C or settles into life as a backup. If it's Isaac, then Gordon could be a sign and trade candidate, or a traded player at some point in the future when Isaac is ready. Either way, if both players are long term PFs, they will have to choose between them at some point. 

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3 minutes ago, Mike1989 said:

If they pay Gordon, he's the starter for the next however many years. Sure we can bring Isaac off the bench and on a rookie contract that is affordable, but that could hinder Isaac's development and waste his perceived upside.

It would ultimately come down to which player the front office believe has the greater potential and which one will have the greater impact on the win column. If that's seen to be Gordon, it is possible Isaac is moved at some point in the future unless he can play SF or C or settles into life as a backup. If it's Isaac, then Gordon could be a sign and trade candidate, or a traded player at some point in the future when Isaac is ready. Either way, if both players are long term PFs, they will have to choose between them at some point. 

You start Gordon and Isaac. You finish with Gordon and Isaac.  Isaac gets all backup 4 minutes in between. 

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6 minutes ago, The Boss said:

Wouldn't we have no issues moving Gordon in 1/2/3 years if it didn't work out with Isaac and we'd prefer to stick with Isaac? This assuming Gordon slowly continues to improve? He would still be a valuable player even on a max wouldn't he? We'd be able to get something decent back instead of nothing for him now. The argument could be that we could possibly get more with cap saved now by not signing him for the max, but who would we be realistically signing this summer or next summer if we didn't re-sign AG?

Perhaps our new front office might simply decide to start a new rebuild around players of their choosing?

They've already moved Payton, and rumors of trading other players have been present in recent months. They might have evaluated this roster and come to the conclusion that they need an almost clean sweep, or they want to retain the players that suit a more fluid line up based around good shooting and ball and player movement. If that's the case we might try to trade Gordon and Vucevic for what we can get, perhaps extend Hezonja, target a player like Doncic, and just be patient in rebuilding the team around a new philosophy. So that could result in us not spending that cap space this season or next on flashy players, and instead invest wisely in new talent that fit our system and invest in player development.

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Sounds like a sound game plan. I would imagine most front offices want their own players; it only makes sense, unless you have a star and that’s questionable. It has been proven time and time again that we place more value on our players then the market does.

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1 minute ago, ?4thewin said:

You start Gordon and Isaac. You finish with Gordon and Isaac.  Isaac gets all backup 4 minutes in between. 

But only if they think Isaac is our best bet starting at SF or C and that he can contribute in a starting role playing one of those positions. If you they do, great. If they don't and prefer him at PF, that means bench if Gordon is extended or starter if Gordon is let go. 

That's also working on the basis that Fournier doesn't remain a Magic player and our starting SF. It also works on the basis that we don't draft Doncic and he gets the nod at SF, or we target Porter as a possible SF, or we fall in the draft and end up with one of the Bridges. 

Ok we can start Isaac and Gordon, but whether that's best for this team long term is debatable. I'd like to see it given a chance but I could see them moving on from Gordon if our new front office want to start a new rebuild.

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55 minutes ago, JJZFL said:

In the abstract, no one can question this reasoning. The real question comes up if another team offers him a max or near max contract.  Is Gordon good enough to tie up that much money with, or would it leave us locked in to mediocrity?

We havent even reached mediocrity yet

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You guys underestimate how good Isaac is at 3. 

The overall Isaac - Gordon lineup data sucks because of crappy Simmons - Fournier - Isaac - Gordon - biyombo and mack - Simmons - Isaac- Gordon - biyombo lineups poisoning the data and injuries robbing us of good data points but Payton - Fournier - Isaac - gordon - vucevic was dominant +66 in net rating 

So was Augustin - ross - Isaac - Gordon - biyombo +50

So was Augustin - Simmons- Isaac - Gordon - biyombo.  +25. 

Problem is those lineups combined for 20 minutes this year. But they played 53 minutes together this year so what are you gonna do? 

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4 hours ago, ROCK LEGENDS PHOTOGRAPHERS said:

They should take their draft pick away too! That would put us 1 step closer LOL

Honestly, I wish they would take their pick. Surely the owners have talked about this very thing and Cuban has chosen to ignore the guidelines of the league. 

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I don't understand why we'd just let him walk even if we thought he wasn't in our long term plans. Wouldn't we be able to trade him at the start of next season even on a max? Unless there was someone we wanted to chase this off season with the money we'd have without re-signing him (but that player would probably have to be better than or equal to the return we'd get if we did trade Gordon at the start of next season).

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32 minutes ago, The Boss said:

I don't understand why we'd just let him walk even if we thought he wasn't in our long term plans. Wouldn't we be able to trade him at the start of next season even on a max? Unless there was someone we wanted to chase this off season with the money we'd have without re-signing him (but that player would probably have to be better than or equal to the return we'd get if we did trade Gordon at the start of next season).

It'd be December 15th if we just signed him or some other limitation that i don't feel like looking up now if we match his contract. 

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