the notorious S.A.C. 89 Report post Posted April 9, 2017 IMO...the one constant through years of underperformance has been Martins. He seems unable to bring in a GM with any vision or ability to build a team. Somehow like a cockroach he manages to survive for years despite everything else being killed off. This year its time to get out the Raid and get rid of the roaches too! You know my vote. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted April 9, 2017 He was hired as the PR director and kept climbing the ladder somehow. He got his MBA from ucf. And i mean ucf is fine, but it's not like he's a six sigma black belt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magicman28 295 Report post Posted April 9, 2017 Martins does his job title well. It's when he goes outside of his lane and tries to be an assistant GM. His mind set is to put butts in the seats. Rehiring BHill, hiring Skiles, he sees that the average low informed fan would get pump by that. "Awww man BHill is back. Back to the glory days. Take my money." Or "Loved Scotty as a player. Good hard nosed player. Good move. I'm going to get some season tickets. Take my money." He just needs to stay out of it and let the GM sink or sail. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted April 9, 2017 Martins does his job title well. It's when he goes outside of his lane and tries to be an assistant GM. His mind set is to put butts in the seats. Rehiring BHill, hiring Skiles, he sees that the average low informed fan would get pump by that. "Awww man BHill is back. Back to the glory days. Take my money." Or "Loved Scotty as a player. Good hard nosed player. Good move. I'm going to get some season tickets. Take my money." He just needs to stay out of it and let the GM sink or sail. Hill was Vanderwede Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magicman28 295 Report post Posted April 9, 2017 Hill was Vanderwede Yeah but same mindset. Like you said, Martins worked his way up. He was surrounded by executives who thought the same way. It's why I don't like that we're firing Henny. We'll never bring in that strong GM who never waivers from their plan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MaestroPenny 0 Report post Posted April 9, 2017 Yes. Don't even like him as a PR guy. Felt the Magic have lagged in that area save for the Shaq/Penny and inaugural days. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magicman28 295 Report post Posted April 9, 2017 Yes. Don't even like him as a PR guy. Felt the Magic have lagged in that area save for the Shaq/Penny and inaugural days. Think a winning product helps Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CTMagicUK 1,476 Report post Posted April 9, 2017 Yes. Mostly just because I believe Rob Hennigan would have been a lot more successful under an organisation willing to let him make his own decisions consistently. With this organisation it has constantly felt like "one move for Rob and one move to appease Martins/people Martins brought in" I guess the biggest problem is the Magic owner is near death and wants to see us win which probably lead to this playoff push that caused most of the bad decisions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miller4Prez66 545 Report post Posted April 9, 2017 Absolutely yes, a complete change in culture from top to bottom is needed. Can't fire the DeVos family so firing Martins is the highest up you can go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Soul Bro 1,419 Report post Posted April 9, 2017 Absolutely yes, a complete change in culture from top to bottom is needed. Can't fire the DeVos family so firing Martins is the highest up you can go. Agree Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marc Acres 3:16 418 Report post Posted April 9, 2017 Live or Die and I were talking about this the other day. Whiteboard gate almost looked like something from higher than Rob. Like we were trying to add people that seem like good names vs good fits for the team. Why go after Saric? Resign Green? Bring back Tobias? Why did Rob move from the youth movement to playoffs now? It doesn't fit with a guy that came from a build slow and sustainable type program(s). It does fit with a short sighted group that has no real idea of how to build a team over time. Every time we recycle an ex player or coach in some new role it just looks like a group that is hiring based on past relationships vs the best basketball decesion. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted April 9, 2017 Live or Die and I were talking about this the other day. Whiteboard gate almost looked like something from higher than Rob. Like we were trying to add people that seem like good names vs good fits for the team. Why go after Saric? Resign Green? Bring back Tobias? Why did Rob move from the youth movement to playoffs now? It doesn't fit with a guy that came from a build slow and sustainable type program(s). It does fit with a short sighted group that has no real idea of how to build a team over time. Every time we recycle an ex player or coach in some new role it just looks like a group that is hiring based on past relationships vs the best basketball decesion. Welcome back Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
