Jason Funderburker 111 Report post Posted June 3, 2016 Because you won't find out until 2019 and he's old for the class And I would argue that Deyonta Davis is an as good/better "swing for the fences" pick because he has a higher floor Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1Penny 3 Report post Posted June 4, 2016 his defense comes and goes just as much as his offense. some games he cant get around a pick and roll and guys burn him. I've never been sold on him. Unfortunately, Rob seems to see a potential jump shot (where?), a floor general (nah), and a guy that can take a franchise to the promised land (???). How? Position needs overhauling IMHO. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fan for too long 2 530 Report post Posted June 4, 2016 I've never been sold on him. Unfortunately, Rob seems to see a potential jump shot (where?), a floor general (nah), and a guy that can take a franchise to the promised land (???). How? Position needs overhauling IMHO. Great another Payton basher, just what we need. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted June 4, 2016 I've never been sold on him. Unfortunately, Rob seems to see a potential jump shot (where?), a floor general (nah), and a guy that can take a franchise to the promised land (???). How? Position needs overhauling IMHO. Can't give up on a guy this early Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaVar 108 Report post Posted June 4, 2016 I've never been sold on him. Unfortunately, Rob seems to see a potential jump shot (where?), a floor general (nah), and a guy that can take a franchise to the promised land (???). How? Position needs overhauling IMHO. He does a lot of good things. It hurts having 4 coaches. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HeHateMe 697 Report post Posted June 4, 2016 It isn't giving up on Payton just because we bring in another PG. If he is as good as you guys say he is (which, he isn't), he can still develop in a bench role. If he improves his shot drastically (which he won't), he can still do so in a bench role. Just because I don't think someone is good, doesn't mean I'm a basher. It's because I don't think they're very good. Payton has career backup written all over him. Which isn't the worse thing in the world, I think he'll be a solid backup. But you can't be that atrocious on the offensive end and be successful in today's NBA. I'd rather start CJ Watson. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HeHateMe 697 Report post Posted June 4, 2016 He does a lot of good things. It hurts having 4 coaches. Kind of a weak excuse. This isn't an NFL QB were talking about here. You can tell if a guy is a good NBA player regardless of the coaching situation, assuming he's getting the minutes. I've seen enough in two years of Payton to project what I see him as in the NBA. He could be marginally better with Vogel, but he isn't all the sudden going to improves his bottom 50 offensive PG ranks and become a top 10 guard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaVar 108 Report post Posted June 4, 2016 Kind of a weak excuse. This isn't an NFL QB were talking about here. You can tell if a guy is a good NBA player regardless of the coaching situation, assuming he's getting the minutes. I've seen enough in two years of Payton to project what I see him as in the NBA. He could be marginally better with Vogel, but he isn't all the sudden going to improves his bottom 50 offensive PG ranks and become a top 10 guard. He has flaws. I wouldn't mind having a pg that can shoot. It would not stop me from drafting a point. Payton does have very good vision, a quick first step, size, ball control and he is young. He went from a having ball dribbling offense to a ball movement offense at the toughest position. He just needs time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HeHateMe 697 Report post Posted June 4, 2016 He has flaws. I wouldn't mind having a pg that can shoot. It would not stop me from draft an point. Payton does have very good vision, a quick first step, size, ball control and he is young. He went from a having ball dribbling offense to a ball movement offense at the toughest position. He just needs time. I agree with half of what you said. But I don't think he just needs time. I think more time is just going to cement the fact that he's a solid backup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HeHateMe 697 Report post Posted June 4, 2016 And I would argue that Deyonta Davis is an as good/better "swing for the fences" pick because he has a higher floor YES! Deyonta reminds me of Whiteside. Immediate impact player defensively, flashes raw potential on offense. Has a big frame that will get bigger. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fultz4thewin 2,464 Report post Posted June 4, 2016 YES! Deyonta reminds me of Whiteside. Immediate impact player defensively, flashes raw potential on offense. Has a big frame that will get bigger. Nah, Whiteside is a slow tower. Davis has footspeed to defend fours You hope Davis is Derrick favors. And I think he'll have a similar development timeframe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HeHateMe 697 Report post Posted June 4, 2016 Nah, Whiteside is a slow tower. Davis has footspeed to defend fours You hope Davis is Derrick favors. And I think he'll have a similar development timeframe I'd have no problem with that. He seems more explosive then Favors. No rookie is coming in next year and helping us win a title so I'm fine with a normal development type player. Free agency is when we'll make our team better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
