Official 2015 Offseason Thread

[Catman 380]

If Mario comes in as advertised and AG is improved at all then our most talented lineup does not include Tobias. Tobias is a sixth man both in style of play and skill level. This is evident in advanced metrics that take into account lineup compatibility: Not that we had many efficient lineups last season, but of our most efficient lineups, Harris was no closer than 6th on the 2,3, and 4-man lineups-which are a great measure for how well certain players play together throughout different parts of the game. In fact, aside from showing up in sixth place and eighth place on the four man lineup-the rest were in double digits (out of the top 20 lineups for each group respectively). It should also be noted that the two 5-man teams that Harris played the most minutes on finished with the two worst combined +/- out of the top 20 5-man lineups at -11.6 and -20.5. Our team average was -6.0 for reference. Just for posterity, Elfrid Payton was on each of the top 5 lists for 2,3,4, and 5 man teams except one where he was in 4/5, respectively. Alright, last edit: His offensive rating when considering time on/off the floor is a distant fourth on the team, with AG and Marble(?!?) right behind him. If he starts for us then we are destined for mediocrity at best unless someone else on the starting unit makes a huge jump in production. He would help the team most leading the second group.

 

Catman, you may come up with a few stats to support your opinion on how great Harris is, the problem is that I came up with two for every one you did to counter and yet you still are missing the big picture. But hey, you have plenty of time to preach your sermon here so the congregation is largely drinking the kool aid. Good for you.

 

I would love for Harris to come in and make significant improvement and become the star we all want him to be. Someone has to keep expectations tempered on him though because frankly they aren't warranted to be that high, and we have more interesting and cheap talent that at the very least duplicates what he does already.

 

 

Actually I came up with more than a "few stats", I posted advanced stats that GMs and scouts evaluate with while all you have in your hand is the "optimum lineup" stats, which is amusing since there was NO optimum lineup for the magic last year. Not one lineup you put there would have had all players in the positive. I already explained that clearly.

 

Again. Harris was top 3 in the team in +/-. That is the actual reality, whether you choose to accept it or not.

 

This is why so many analysts and GMS think so highly of Harris. They look at the right numbers and see the potential he has to contribute to a team. Another reason he was going to get a max deal as I told you would happen weeks prior.

 

There is no cheap talent that duplicates what he does. Not one on this team. This is why the Magic were going to try and sign Millsap to replace him. If what you were saying was true in any possible way, we would have just let him walk and never considered giving Millsap 20m a year.

 

But thanks for the comparison to Jim Jones, a guy who slaughtered 900 people including women and children..lol.

 

 

I agree. I think Payton's successful rookie season, dubbed by many EXPERTS to be #2 rookie of 2015, is a fluke. Exum's success in one game of Summer League is definitely a sign of things to come. The Magic need a shoot first PG like it had in years past and Exum fits the bill. A defensive, slasher type like Payton has no role in a team, especially with a hack coach like Skiles. Skiles would have a better shot grooming a non traditional PG like Exum, a true scorer and SG.

 

The problem with your logic is that Exum is now being played more as a SG at Utah, and they do not believe him to be a PG long term there.

 

Also, not sure why you would call Skiles a hack. That is either trolling or just ignorance. Never quite sure with you, since you pretended to be a girl for a year here.

[Fultz4thewin 2,464]

Actually I came up with more than a "few stats", I posted advanced stats that GMs and scouts evaluate with while all you have in your hand is the "optimum lineup" stats, which is amusing since there was NO optimum lineup for the magic last year. Not one lineup you put there would have had all players in the positive. I already explained that clearly.

 

Again. Harris was top 3 in the team in +/-. That is the actual reality, whether you choose to accept it or not.

 

This is why so many analysts and GMS think so highly of Harris. They look at the right numbers and see the potential he has to contribute to a team. Another reason he was going to get a max deal as I told you would happen weeks prior.

 

There is no cheap talent that duplicates what he does. Not one on this team. This is why the Magic were going to try and sign Millsap to replace him. If what you were saying was true in any possible way, we would have just let him walk and never considered giving Millsap 20m a year.

 

The scary thing is that you actually think those

 

 

The problem with your logic is that Exum is now being played more as a SG at Utah, and they do not believe him to be a PG long term there.

 

Also, not sure why you would call Skiles a hack. That is either trolling or just ignorance. Never quite sure with you, since you pretended to be a girl for a year here.

 

Catalina was being sarcastic

[Catman 380]

Catalina was being sarcastic

 

Good, I can never tell with that guy...or girl..or model..or actress...

[HeHateMe 697]

Good, I can never tell with that guy...or girl..or model..or actress...

 

In your defense, sarcasm complete flies over everyone's head on this board.

[Malik Buttface 57]

The only thing I would like to see Payton do in this summer league is take advantage of the opportunity to practice his shot. Its a glorified pickup game so why not chuck with the rest of them.

[Catman 380]

In your defense, sarcasm complete flies over everyone's head on this board.

 

Yep. Its hard to tell sometimes on the web, especially when a posters style varies dramatically.

[Catman 380]

The only thing I would like to see Payton do in this summer league is take advantage of the opportunity to practice his shot. Its a glorified pickup game so why not chuck with the rest of them.

 

I agree. Its just not his game at all, so I think it will take him some time.

[jec 427]

In your defense, sarcasm complete flies over everyone's head on this board.

 

Was that statement sarcastic?

[God Hates Otis Smith 153]

Watching ESPN Ticker lists 3 notable summer league performances one of which was Dante Exum.

 

Says he scored 20 pts before leaving the game early with a sprained ankle.

 

While we watch Payton struggle with his game specifically his shooting.

 

Jury still out, imo.

you are the worst.

[Johnny Castaway 31]

Good, I can never tell with that guy...or girl..or model..or actress...

 

if I remember correctly, she recently mentioned being at the barber ... now, though I'm sure there must be some, I've never known a girl who goes to the barber ... well, maybe to have her bikini line done?

[Fultz4thewin 2,464]

So Jared the subway guy just got raided for child porn

[jec 427]

So Jared the subway guy just got raided for child porn

I'm not exactly shocked.