KandiKane 136 Report post Posted March 10, 2012 Ryan shoots 12 shots per game, Ersan only 9. So his average is lower, although in the last few games, his avg is close to 20 ppg. Ersan doesnt have Dwight, so he doesnt get open looks from 3 point range. His current center is Drew Gooden, who even if guarded by Muggsy Bogues would probably still miss a 15 footer. Plus Ersan has more rebounds, blocks, steals and assists than Ryan despite playing 4 less minutes a game. I think because he plays for the Bucks, his value is lower and Ryan's value is higher because Orlando has the 3rd best record in the East at the moment. This presents an opportunity I think to get him on the cheap. Remember the contratc we gave Turk when we took him from the Spurs. But should they both deamand the same top dollar money, I would go for Ersan, that's what I am trying to say. I am just convinced that this guy would be much better for Orlando than Ryan is at the moment, giving his hustle and energy. Plus the dude shoots lights out and killed us when we played the Bucks in the last 3 games. I remeber him going up against 4 Orlando players (Dwight, Baby, Turk and J Rich) for am offensive rebound and wrestled the ball off all these 4 players and scored. You Turkish or a troll? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OrlandoFan11 3 Report post Posted March 10, 2012 Huh? Ersan will also be up for a contract extension next year. He is a good energy guy but I highly doubt he puts up anything all that different from Ryan on this team next to Dwight. He is also not likely to be shooting as many midrange shots next to Dwight. Your other comment about the offensive rebounding is incorrect, Ryan actually ranks slightly ahead of Ersan ( Ryan is #9, Ersan is #10) which also probably has a lot to do with playing next to Dwight since he is ahead of both of them (#7) and the next closest Buck's player is Drew Gooden at #34. I wonder about the 3pt shooting as well since he's jumped from a career 34% 3pt shooter to 40% where as Ryan has gone from 39% career to 42% this year. That just seems like a big jump to me. Their free throw attempts per game are comparable but Ryan is a much better percentage shooter from the line. I just don't see what we would be upgrading here, nothing about the guy is going to push us any further than what we have, he fixes none of our issues and I would bet he will get about the same amount of money since he is also having a break out year. I think playing with Howard gets u moe Offensive Rebounds because usually the opposing PF tries to help their center block out Dwight which gives Ryan the OR opportunities he gets every game. Look guys, I am not saying Ryan is crap, i love the guy. I just think we probably would pull off a steal if we can offload him for Ersan along with a good player and manage to get rid of one of our bad contracts, because they are very similar offensively, although Ersan is slightly better overall I think and defensively, Ryan gets killed by avg PF's such as Josh Smith and Boozer which I think Ersan would defend a lot better. PF defence has been our achilies for a while and we've always had to trade-pff between putting on Ryan who is better than Baby offensively, or Baby who is better defensively but much worse offensively. Ersan I think has a better overall game and therefore is a better 2 for 1 option. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OrlandoFan11 3 Report post Posted March 10, 2012 You Turkish or a troll? No I am from Arizona actually, but a Magic Fan since the good old days of D3, Nick and Penny. Didnt want to mention Shaq coz he's such a jerk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Secretly Space Jesus 670 Report post Posted March 10, 2012 I think playing with Howard gets u moe Offensive Rebounds because usually the opposing PF tries to help their center block out Dwight which gives Ryan the OR opportunities he gets every game. This is beyond idiotic. The average team gets 11 offensive rebounds a game. There is no way to argue that playing next to a guy who gets almost 4 per game by himself is going to make you better at getting offensive rebounds. Look guys, I am not saying Ryan is crap, i love the guy. I just think we probably would pull off a steal if we can offload him for Ersan along with a good player and manage to get rid of one of our bad contracts, Milwaukee has good players? because they are very similar offensively, although Ersan is slightly better overall I think and defensively, Ryan gets killed by avg PF's such as Josh Smith and Boozer which I think Ersan would defend a lot better. Anderson is a below average defender. Ilyasova is an average one. Real upgrade there. PF defence has been our achilies for a while No, it hasn't. and we've always had to trade-pff between putting on Ryan who is better than Baby offensively, or Baby who is better defensively but much worse offensively. Ersan I think has a better overall game and therefore is a better 2 for 1 option. Ilyasova is a substantially worse offensive player than Ryan Anderson. Ilyasova is a substantially worse defensive player than Glen Davis(at the 4, anyway). 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OrlandoFan11 3 Report post Posted March 10, 2012 This is beyond idiotic. The average team gets 11 offensive rebounds a game. There is no way to argue that playing next to a guy who gets almost 4 per game by himself is going to make you better at getting offensive rebounds. Milwaukee has good players? Anderson is a below average defender. Ilyasova is an average one. Real upgrade there. No, it hasn't. Ilyasova is a substantially worse offensive player than Ryan Anderson. Ilyasova is a substantially worse defensive player than Glen Davis(at the 4, anyway). lets agree to disagree. In 5 years time, Ryan will be shooting 3's in Sacramento, while Ersan will probably be playing for the Lakers or Bulls winning chamionships. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KandiKane 136 Report post Posted March 10, 2012 lets agree to disagree. In 5 years time, Ryan will be shooting 3's in Sacramento, while Ersan will probably be playing for the Lakers or Bulls winning chamionships. Or more likely be in Europe where he has said he wishes to return. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Secretly Space Jesus 670 Report post Posted March 10, 2012 lets agree to disagree. In 5 years time, Ryan will be shooting 3's in Sacramento, while Ersan will probably be playing for the Lakers or Bulls winning chamionships. How exactly are the Lakers or Bulls going to sign him? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Soul Bro 1,419 Report post Posted March 10, 2012 Ryan Anderson is one of the most efficient offensive players in the NBA. He has a higher number of win shares than Dwight does this season. I'm not opposed to trading him if it nets us a nice return, but he's substantially better than Ilyasova, and you'd have to be brain dead to think otherwise. Hahaha!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
O Town Terror 11 Report post Posted March 10, 2012 Ryan Anderson is one of the most efficient offensive players in the NBA. He has a higher number of win shares than Dwight does this season. I'm not opposed to trading him if it nets us a nice return, but he's substantially better than Ilyasova, and you'd have to be brain dead to think otherwise. But Ersan is better than any other Big we have. If we had him coming off the bench then we'd be even stronger. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Secretly Space Jesus 670 Report post Posted March 10, 2012 But Ersan is better than any other Big we have. If we had him coming off the bench then we'd be even stronger. I'd like to point out that you just implicitly stated that Ersan Ilyasova is better than Dwight Howard. Also: given that this thread was specifically calling for us to trade Anderson for Ilyasova, whether or not he's better than other players is irrelevant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OrlandoFan11 3 Report post Posted March 10, 2012 But Ersan is better than any other Big we have. If we had him coming off the bench then we'd be even stronger. Thank you, for a minute there, I thought the Magic Fans really didn't know much about basketball, but guess some of you know a good player when they see one. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Secretly Space Jesus 670 Report post Posted March 10, 2012 Thank you, for a minute there, I thought the Magic Fans really didn't know much about basketball, but guess some of you know a good player when they see one. Ok, Spartacus. If you want to turn this into a cause, you're welcome to do so, but the fact that most everyone agrees your idea is pants-on-head stupid isn't proof positive that you're an under-appreciated genius. It just means that your idea is crazy, and no one else likes it. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
