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quote: Originally posted by Miller4Prez64:The Jameer we got in the playoffs is a top 10 PG. Will he play like it all season? I don't know, he didn't play like a top 10 PG in the regular season. But in no way does he come off the bench or get traded (unless we can get Chris Paul or something....), Jameer is a good player, and I enjoy having him here. Also....Jrue Holliday? Really? What is wrong with you people person Fixed.

quote: Originally posted by TreyTime: Dude, you said BRANDON JENNINGS and AARON BROOKS and JRUE ****ING HOLIDAY were better than Jameer. Someone ban this kid now. Common sense prevails.

quote: Originally posted by murphy13: quote: Originally posted by PrematureShooter: quote: Originally posted by murphy13:Quickly before I gotta run: top flight: Nash OK, Williams OK, Paul OK, Rose OK, Rondo OK, i feel like I am missing someone but there are the 5 right there that are top flight that you asked for second tier that are either better than jameer already or are worth trading for: Brandon Jennings NO, darren collison NO, jason kidd(still)best playmaker of a generation and had a great playoffs NO, jrue holiday potentially GOD NO, same with that John Wall kid potentially SAID THAT, billups(still)-since he can play D and post up along with making plays for others NO, HIS SHOT SELECTION IS INSULTING. there are other people too I am sure...not saying that I would trade jameer for someone like jason kidd, but you also cant say that jameer is better either. Yes, at this point in their careers Jameer is better. and of course there are the people that are 'better pgs that arent really pgs' like tyreke evans, brandon roy or even wade or lebron. obviously its impossible to compare jameer to those but you asked and you shall recieve a list of those who are better pgs off the top of my head-even those who dont play the position. All of this is completely irrelevant. Your original statement was "the right PG". None of these players play point guard, regardless of the fact that they might be able to in some parallel universe without shooting guards or small forwards. So, you asked for 5-6 and I gave you like 15 names or something. Most of which made no sense. I am sure I am missing others...and there are some people that are tempting like aaron brooks NO or russell westbrook OK , but I dont feel comfortable enough giving out my seal of approval on those yet....especially brooks. Also, in regards to your last comment, I certainly have read everything you've said so far, and I wasn't insinuating you said to trade him, I was merely relaying the fact that none of this matters since he won't be traded. Regardless, yes, I HAVE been looking for an argument, since, well, a lot of what you've said has been dumb. The argument of someone being expendable for the right player is, in itself, incredibly stupid since EVERYONE in the NBA besides 3 or 4 players is "expendable for the right person". That's like saying I want to have a great dinner (obviously, who wouldn't), UNLESS there's a better one somewhere. Of course there is, but it's gonna cost me a fortune and I might have to leap through hoops to get it. I was almost getting angry there for a minute when I came back and read your drivel today. It appears as though you dont even follow the NBA at all outside of perhaps sportscenter highlights judging by some of your red letter comments. Looking at your comments today with fresh eyes-its obvious you would have to be completely dense to believe some of the things you were writing. Furthermore, you are clearly just trying to incite an argument if you take exception to someone suggesting that we keep Jameer thanks to how he stepped up in the playoffs unless we have an obvious upgrade at the pg spot for the betterment of the team. So, I'm not saying your a troll or trolling or anything, but I will stop feeding you like one in hopes that you smarten up and start providing substance as opposed to looking for arguments all the time. I don't know what more substance you want, I provided logical answers to everything you've said. You obviously are underestimating Jameer, and that's fine. For you to accuse me of not knowing the NBA or "almost trolling" is pretty hilarious, considering magic berto posted nearly the EXACT same red text argument as me on the previous page, and Lewis4TheWin also had similar tiers of PGs. Several other people have strongly disagreed with you in this thread as well, are they all trolls? Where's DoM when you need him, I'd love to get his take on this whole situation.

quote: Originally posted by Debonair:wow. people still talking about gilbert when i just posted an article stating he isn't going anywhere. OMGZ STOP TEH PRESSES!!!11!!1 DEBONER HAS SPOKEN!!!1!!

@magic berto: **** you for beating me to it.

quote: Originally posted by murphy13:Quickly before I gotta run: top flight: Nash OK, Williams OK, Paul OK, Rose OK, Rondo OK, i feel like I am missing someone but there are the 5 right there that are top flight that you asked for second tier that are either better than jameer already or are worth trading for: Brandon Jennings NO, darren collison NO, jason kidd(still)best playmaker of a generation and had a great playoffs NO, jrue holiday potentially GOD NO, same with that John Wall kid potentially SAID THAT, billups(still)-since he can play D and post up along with making plays for others NO, HIS SHOT SELECTION IS INSULTING. there are other people too I am sure...not saying that I would trade jameer for someone like jason kidd, but you also cant say that jameer is better either. Yes, at this point in their careers Jameer is better. and of course there are the people that are 'better pgs that arent really pgs' like tyreke evans, brandon roy or even wade or lebron. obviously its impossible to compare jameer to those but you asked and you shall recieve a list of those who are better pgs off the top of my head-even those who dont play the position. All of this is completely irrelevant. Your original statement was "the right PG". None of these players play point guard, regardless of the fact that they might be able to in some parallel universe without shooting guards or small forwards. So, you asked for 5-6 and I gave you like 15 names or something. Most of which made no sense. I am sure I am missing others...and there are some people that are tempting like aaron brooks NO or russell westbrook OK , but I dont feel comfortable enough giving out my seal of approval on those yet....especially brooks. Also, in regards to your last comment, I certainly have read everything you've said so far, and I wasn't insinuating you said to trade him, I was merely relaying the fact that none of this matters since he won't be traded. Regardless, yes, I HAVE been looking for an argument, since, well, a lot of what you've said has been dumb. The argument of someone being expendable for the right player is, in itself, incredibly stupid since EVERYONE in the NBA besides 3 or 4 players is "expendable for the right person". That's like saying I want to have a great dinner (obviously, who wouldn't), UNLESS there's a better one somewhere. Of course there is, but it's gonna cost me a fortune and I might have to leap through hoops to get it.

quote: Originally posted by murphy13: quote: Originally posted by PrematureShooter: quote: Originally posted by murphy13:Jameer is expendable for the right PG...or a top draft pick. I assume by "the right PG" you mean someone who is better than Jameer. Nobody who fits that description is available. Also, if that list is longer then 5 or 6 players then Meer is being VASTLY underestimated as a PG. And no, Jameer is in no way expendable for a top draft pick. Yes, I was suggesting a better pg of course. Doesnt mean it was likely or even being discussed. It just means that if there is a better option out there then he is a goner. Of course the rest of my original comment said that already. And yes, Jameer is certainly expendable for a top pick in the draft. edit, and jameer is NOT the 5th or 6th best point in the league-are you serious? Remember that he plays with dwight, and that there are atleast 5-6 top flight point guards out there already, and several more who are better than jameer. I like the guy too, but lets take the blinders off and be realistic. Christ, OK. Jameer isn't getting traded, let's start with that. There has never been any mention, nor will there be, of Jameer being a piece in a trade for a top draft pick. There is no one in this draft, with the possible exception of Wall, that has enough upside to trade a starting, all-star caliber point guard for, especially after his brilliant performance in the playoffs. Oh yeah, and Washington isn't trading their pick so that's that. On the topic of current point guards that we would rather have than Jameer Nelson, I can think of only a handful, and since you were so flabbergasted by my "5 or 6" comment, I assume you can name ALOT of PG's you'd rather have. I would swap Jameer for: CP3, D-Will, Rondo, and Nash are definites, although we'd better win the title next year with Nash because age will become an issue. I would probably trade him for Westbrook/Rose and I'd consider a trade for Evans, although I think Tyreke is better as a SG. Outside of that, you'd have difficulty convincing me the rest of the PGs in the NBA are better than or on par with Meer.

quote: Originally posted by murphy13:Jameer is expendable for the right PG...or a top draft pick. I assume by "the right PG" you mean someone who is better than Jameer. Nobody who fits that description is available. Also, if that list is longer then 5 or 6 players then Meer is being VASTLY underestimated as a PG. And no, Jameer is in no way expendable for a top draft pick.

quote: Originally posted by Debonair: one think i like about phil jackson is he puts kobe bryant on point guards. its a sissy move and gives an unfair advantage but it gets the job done. they know derek fish sucks defensively so kobe has to put the stops on the guards that fisher cant. in the play offs we saw kobe on westbrook and dwill now hes going after rondo. in the suns series phil even put gasol on nash because he was on fire. Wait, sorry... did I just have a stroke or does this actually say Phil Jackson intentionally matched up Pau Gasol on Steve Nash to try to slow him down? Either your daily goal is to say the most utterly outrageous and moronic things possible or you're a highly trained circus monkey with a computer. I mean Jesus, if you really think getting a mismatch via a pick-n-roll switch is a voluntary coaching decision then you are a hopeless troll. Secondly, explain to me how an NBA team goes about obtaining an "unfair advantage" by having a PG so defensively inept that they have to switch their SG onto the opposing team's point. I'm sure Phil says to himself everyday, "Man, I'm sure glad Derek Fisher can't stay in front of anyone so we have to use our best player with multiple nagging injuries to defend their quickest, most crafty player. That way we can also have said defensive liability give up 5 inches to the best shooter in the NBA while he chases him around screens. Unfair advantage: us!" I will be anxiously awaiting both replies. Can't wait!

quote: Originally posted by Debonair:i agree that he should've had more of a role on the offensive end. dude has a better o-game than dwight..... he's also a better free throw shooter. but once again.....the coach that you all love so much limited another players role on the team. Yeah, ****, why didn't Stan play our clumsy, brick-handed backup C over our all-world, dominant, determined 5 who was owning the series on both ends? You really have to try to be this stupid.

quote: Originally posted by Nell2ThaIzzay:worst part of the thread is the apparent Barnes OR JJ talk. I believe we need both of these guys here. Agreed, but if it really comes down to that JJ stays.

quote: Originally posted by ThuglifeJ: and Johnson is not better than Carter, Im sorry you can throw out as many stats as you want you will not convince me. The guy cannot be trusted in the playoffs. Pot, meet Kettle. I don't even want Joe, but seriously, you can't be serious... seriously. You're right, we don't know what we would get out of Gay, Joe, Granger, etc, but we know EXACTLY what we're getting out of Vince. Any of those guys is clearly an upgrade and I literally can't understand how someone can say otherwise. You act as though Wade, Kobe, Lebron, and Roy are the only players in the league better than Vince. Newsflash: this isn't 2000. Vince is older, slower, less explosive, settles for horrific shots, doesn't make great decisions, and so on and so forth. quote: unless we plan on pushing a championship aside for a couple years to develop Gay. You act as though he's a raw benchwarmer who needs to be taught the game. The guy is an established NBA player who would only get better in our system. Again, I'm not sure he's the answer to our problems at all, but saying he's not an upgrade over a washed up Vince is ridiculous.

quote: Originally posted by murphy13: I would much rather upgrade the point and replace vince with a better SG or another PF. Hopefully you mean upgrade our backup point guard because anyone thinking Jameer is the problem or he isn't good enough is high. We're not getting CP3, Nash, Rondo, or D-Will, so I guess we're stuck with our all-star. Darn it! Also, anyone questioning whether Rudy Gay is an upgrade over Vince at this point in their respective careers didn't watch basketball this season. C'mon people.

quote: Originally posted by Debonair:bass hardly played much which is why he did not get a grip on stan's system. he is not a stretch 4 by any means so why would he adjust to playing like one? i do admit he looked a bit lost on the court most of the time but that really isn't his fault. that's stan's fault for not playing him. he wasn't able to really gain chemistry with the team. So the games are where you learn the plays/rotations? You do realize NBA teams practice everyday, right? If Bass can't grasp where to be on offense AND defense over the course of an 8 month long season it absolutely IS his fault and no one else's. SVG sees Bass play every single day and for you to think you know better is so astronomically stupid it hurts me.

quote: Originally posted by Debonair:stan clearly had some personal issue against bass that no one understood. I thought by now we understood why Bass wasn't in the rotation for the majority of the season... He never fully understood the plays and certainly didn't have a great grip on defensive rotations. If you don't know where to be on both sides of the court you're not going to play, period. I agree Bass has great potential and I'd love to see us hang onto him, but acting like his lack of playing time is some huge mystery at this point makes you uninformed. To claim Stan has some "personal issue" with Bass is not only incredibly dumb, but also ignorant on your part since you're simply advancing your vendetta against SVG. quote: how I would love for that fat ******* to get fired. Oh, and statements like this won't exactly make you look more credible or intelligent.

quote: Originally posted by VC_Fan: Jameer Nelson is a talented player, but he is not a good PG.

quote: Originally posted by HerdNation:is Gay really that much of a difference from peaches? You're joking, right?

Well said, Lewis. Gay has the ability to put up great offensive numbers with his skill set. The guy can flat play, he runs and slashes as well as anyone in the league. He can be a streaky shooter, but he has a nice midrange jumper and can hit the 3. I think the two best points you brought up were the potential matchup problems and his lack of consistent coaching up until this point. Gay's height, length, and speed make him a matchup nightmare at the 2, 3, or 4, and will only make defending the rest of our team more difficult. Pairing Dwight with this guy could make both of them exponentially better, and if SVG gets the chance to preach defense to Rudy, look out. This guy has all the tools to be a lockdown defender at 3 positions.

I think it's pretty clear our players will not respond to a coach who doesn't wear ties. Solution: Johnny Davis

quote: Originally posted by Ramsde68:Wow a PEC sighting. Dwight finally learned to keep his cool in this series. The Celtics tried to get in his head and instead he got into the heads of everyone in the city of Boston (as shown by the newspaper, fans on message board, and KG's insane Elbow shiver he did twice right in front of the ref, which he should have been tossed out for). I think this may have finally have been the turning point when it comes to Dwight's mental state in the game. He has defense figured out. He gives consistent effort all the time. He's becoming much better at passing out. So the last things needed now is the expansion of the offensive game and his free throw shooting. Which by the way, everyone who is asking for that "final piece"? Dwight IS the final piece, if he can take his game to that final level where he is averaging 25-27 points a game, 70-75% free throw shooting, and dominating on offense any player (even the best post defenders like Perkins) will be the best bet for Orlando to become a championship team. Everything here. We've been asking for years if/when Dwight will turn the corner. I firmly believe after this year's postseason that he has accomplished the mental aspect which is the most difficult. It seems like Dwight is embracing his new "dirtiness" and enjoys the role of being the villain. He completely flipped the script and had the entire frontcourt of Boston out of whack. Dwight had 4 outstanding games against the team which has frustrated him the most over the last 3 seasons, and this will only give him confidence in his offensive ability moving forward. This, I believe, will encourage him to incorporate some of those moves/shots from the Gortat training video into his arsenal for next season, and if he does, look out.

It's easy for player to look dirty when the team he's playing against is a bunch of prissy, whining fairies. I've never seen a team praised so highly for its toughness and grit suddenly become the helpless victim of overly-physical play. It is honestly laughable to see an entire city ***** and moan as a result of getting completely punked.

I think it's probably the "what have you done for me lately" view at work here, which has completely taken over sports analysis today. Everyone seems to have a knee jerk reaction and speaks accordingly. With that said, I definitely believe that the Magic can pull it off because, well, I'm a Magic fan, and our recent tempo and ability to collapse their defense is encouraging. Them being banged up doesn't hurt either.

Awesome, man. I'm able to go to about 10 Magic games a year and the atmosphere in there tonight was definitely special. I can only imagine what it must have been like for you coming from so far away.

Don't see much to complain about in regards to the crowd... that place was LOUD tonight, and everyone was pumped from the opening tip.

quote: Originally posted by vc15dunker15: quote: Originally posted by PrematureShooter: quote: Originally posted by vc15dunker15:I agree with Nick. Bass will make KG work for his buckets, he cannot abuse him the way he can abuse Rashard. So Shard isn't making KG work? And KG is abusing him offensively? Shard has been making him work, but when KG decided to post up he can back up 'Shard easily. What series have I been watching...? I disagree with "easily" and how exactly does backing someone down qualify as "abuse"? Even if KG is able to get a little closer to the rim he still has to try to make a difficult shot over Shard's length, something he has done at a low percentage all series. Also, next time please bold or color your text if you're gonna write inside someone's quote.