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I just got out of an event and saw the score...what in the world is happening? Haha Are we having another good offensive game or are they having a bad shooting night?

You know, I wouldn’t hate the idea. However, I do like the focus Cliff has brought on the defensive end and cutting down turnovers. A few days ago when someone mentioned a new coach, my gut was a no. I was thinking “who is out there that you could get as an improvement.” I haven’t followed Kenny enough but I wouldn’t be upset at it.

thats what I think too. toxic

Apparently Clifford isn't feeling well -- my bootleg stream is just showing the Twolves coverage. If anyone else hears anything, post it. But yes, we look good against a bad team. Bamba needs to be playing. What in the world.

The announcer said "who needs Fournier" and I replied.... "that's what we're saying..." haha

First round picks aren't that better lol, maybe we just suck at drafting 2005 - Fran Vazquez (#11) 2006 - JJ Redick (#11) 2007 - 2008 - Courtney Lee (#22) 2009 - 2010 - Daniel Orton (#29) 2011 - 2012 - Andrew Nicholson (#19) 2013 - Victor Oladipo (#2) 2014 - Aaron Gordon (#4), Dario Saric (#12)*/Elfrid Payton (#10) 2015 - Mario Hezonja (#5) 2016 - Domantas Sabonis (#11)* 2017 - Jonathan Isaac (#6), Anzejs Pasecniks (#25)* 2018 - Mohamed Bamba (#6) 2019 - Chuma Okeke (#16) In 2008 - Nicolas Batum, George Hill, and Serge Ibaka were all right after Courtney Lee. In 2010 - Hassan Whiteside instead of Orton all day In 2012 - Fournier was #20, but looking back hard to not notice Draymond at 35, Middleton at 39 In 2014 - Zach LaVine, Jusuf Nurkic were both taken shortly after #12 In 2015 - Did we think Hezonja was Luka? Myles Turner, Justise Winslow, Devin freakin Booker, Kelly Oubre, In 2016 - Taurean Prince, Caris LaVert...or just not made that stupid trade and kept Dipo and Sabonis :( In 2017 - could've picked Kyle Kuzma or Josh Hart I get playing the "what-if game" doesn't help. But I think it does show a consistency in making bad decisions as an organization (multiple front offices since 2005) when it comes to drafting players.

I hear you. You never really know you have a gem until they turn out to be one. However, look at our history compared to the names on the list above since 2005 Travis Diener (#38, 2005) Martynas Andriuskevicius (#44, 2005)* Lior Eliyahu (#44, 2006)* Reyshawn Terry (#44, 2007)* Stanley Robinson (#59, 2010) DeAndre Liggins (#53, 2011) Kyle O'Quinn (#49, 2012) Romero Osby (#51, 2013) Tyler Harvey (#51, 2015) Stephen Zimmerman (#41, 2016) Jake Layman (#47, 2016)* Wes Iwundu (#33, 2017) Ivan Rabb (#35, 2017)* Melvin Frazier (#35, 2018) Jarred Vanderbilt (#41, 2018)* * = we eventually traded away that player. Now, who would've known what they would have become but for the most part, we've swung and missed a lot with 2nd round picks and eventually just traded them away.

Yeah, I forgot about that. I guess I was thinking it was cash or just a cut and sign thing.

Don't we get something from LA this year? Or did I misunderstand that.

The Front Office hasn't put much trust in their second round picks since being with Orlando. I understand it's a coin flip, but maybe we need to do a better job of scouting. Since 2005, here are some second round gems: David Lee (#30, 2005) Ersan Ilyasova (#36, 2005) Monta Ellis (#40, 2005) Louis Williams (#45, 2005) Marcin Gortat (#57, 2005) PJ Tucker (#35, 2006) Paul Millsap (#47, 2006) Glen Davis (#35, 2007) Marc Gasol (#48, 2007) DeAndre Jordan (#35, 2008) Goran Dragic (#45, 2008) Patrick Beverley (#42, 2009) Danny Green (#46, 2009) Patty Mills (#55, 2009) Hassan Whiteside (#33, 2010) Lance Stephenson (#40, 2010) Jimmy Butler (#30, 2011)* technically first, but close enough Bojan Bogdanovic (#31, 2011) Isaiah Thomas (#60, 2011) Jae Crowder (#34, 2012) Draymond Green (#35, 2012) Khris Middleton (#39, 2012) Joe Harris (#33, 2014) Spencer Dinwiddie (#38, 2014) Nikola Jokic (#41, 2014) Jordan Clarkson (#46, 2014) Montrezl Harrell (#32, 2015) Pat Connaughton (#41, 2015) Ivica Zubac (#32, 2016) Malcolm Brogdon (#36, 2016) Josh Hart (#30, 2017)* Dillon Brooks (#45, 2017) Devonte Graham (#34, 2018) Gary Trent Jr. (#37, 2018) Hamidou Diallo (#45, 2018) 2019 is still TBD -- but still, that's a lot of talent that could be helping our team. Maybe it isn't scouting as much as it is player development because certain players thrive depending on where they land, I get that.

Here is what I'm thinking. Someone tell me if you think I'm thinking about it the wrong way. As much as I hate it. We may run it back next season for the most part. Here's why: The draft class coming in isn't overwhelming, except for that "diamond in the rough guy" that no one saw turning into this type of player. The free agency class coming up isn't overwhelming, especially for the amount of money we have. We may be able to add 1-2 role players...MAYBE a starter if Evan opts-out. But nothing to change the franchise dramatically. I think we stand pat for one more year, focus on locking up Isaac, Fultz, Gordon, and Bamba, and then summer of 2021 look to make a splash in Free Agency. Maybe even get lucky and find a trade for Vucevic that solidifies our bench for a while.

Ugh

Make the playoffs? Probably. But we will for sure drop to the 8 seed. I think the Wizards are hungry for the playoffs this year but I just don’t think they’ll be able to make it happen. Beal is dropping 50+ with losses

21 games left. If we can go 2-2 in our next 4 games. I actually would feel pretty good about the rest of March. After the Memphis away game, the next 10 games...I think we could win 7 of them. Then a tough stretch to end the season, I'm only seeing 2 wins there. That would put us at 38 wins though.

Don’t worry guys...I figured it out https://tradenba.com/trades/B-LnhhB-6 Magic Get: Hayward, Brown, Grant Williams, Seth Curry, 2021 Celtics First Celtics Get: Vucevic, Fournier, Aminu, 2025 Dallas First Mavericks Get: Enes Kanter and DJ Augustin

I think Beal wants to stay and be seen as the guy rebuilding that franchise. Not to mention, just cause he’s been hurt for like 2 years. If John Wall could ever have a healthy season, that would still be one of the better 1-2 combos in the East. I think Hayward opts in for his last year of the 34 mil contract (or something like that). The only way we’d get him is if they did something for probably Fournier & Vucevic. But I’m not sure they would. They have a star in Tatum, Kemba is the leader, Smart is the Heart, and everyone else is filling a role. They might keep everything together

If I was correct in how I was adding things up, if everyone opts out and we let everyone walk away, we’d have around 34 mil to work with this off-season, if not a little more. If Fournier/Ennis opt in, I think that number drops to like 15 mil. which of course is only good enough for 1-2 minimum rotation players.

I remember seeing some chatter about Portland looking for trade possibilities for CJ at the deadline because they though maybe the Dame/CJ pair had gone as far as they could...but that also could just be social media chatter just to stir up attention and conversation. I would LOVE to add CJ to this team. Outside of like Jaylen Brown and maybe 1 other SG that I can’t think of, that would be my ideal upgrade over Fournier.

Just so we're all preparing now for next year... Resign MCW and Iwundu. We don't trade anyone. Fournier/Ennis opt in. Fultz/MCW/2nd Draft Pick Fournier/Ross/Iwundu/1st Draft Pick Issac/Ennis/Okeke Gordon/Aminu/3rd Draft Pick Vucevic/Bamba/Birch I've trade to come up with potential trades for Fournier/Aminu and Vucevic/Birch...but I just can't really feel good about anything. Best option is that we trade Fournier, sign some offensive talent in free agency, and then swap Vucevic and Bamba in starting minutes. I would love a total overhaul of our bench this offseason and a new SG. If the Magic deliver that, I'll be happy. If the above happens, I'll be depressed haha

Do we think that this is could just be highlighting the fact that we need to move on from Vuc/Fournier? And how important Isaac is to our team? I'm hoping that is what is being seen at least.

Part 3 - Potential Free Agents: Unrestricted Paul Millsap (30 mil) Hassan Whiteside (24.6 mil) Marc Gasol (22.6 mil) Serge Ibaka (21.6 mil) Danilo Gallinari (21.5 mil) Jeff Teague (19 mil) Derrick Favors (18.8 mil) Bismack Biyombo (18 mil) Kent Bazemore (17.5 mil) Evan Turner (17.5 mil) Goran Dragic (17 mil) Tristan Thompson (16.4 mil) Ian Mahinmi (16 mil) Marcus Morris (15 mil) Brandon Knight (14 mil) Mason Plumlee (13.6 mil) Jordan Clarkson (12.5 mil) Courtney Lee (12 mil) Solomon Hill (12 mil) John Henson (12 mil) Maurice Harkless (10.5 mil) Meyers Leonard (10.2 mil) Andre Roberson (10 mil) Matthew Dellavedova (9.6 mil) Fred VanVleet (9 mil) E'Twaun Moore (8.5 mil) Joe Harris (8 mil) DJ Augustin (7.25 mil) Davis Bertans (7.25 mil) Jae Crowder (7 mil) Langston Galloway (7 mil) Josh Jackson (6 mil) Montrezl Harrell (6 mil) Marco Belinelli (6 mil) Aron Baynes (5.3 mil) Justin Holiday (4.7 mil) Alex Len (4.2 mil) Stanley Johnson (3.7 mil) Yogi Ferrell (3 mil) Others I didn't feel like writing down their contracts: Bryn Forbes, Kyle Korver, Vince Carter, Udonis Haslem, Dwight Howard, Thabo Sefolosha, Jose Barea, Jared Dudley, Wilson Chandler, Tyson Chandler, Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, Juan Hernangomez, Patrick Patterson, Alec Burks, Harry Giles, Carmelo Anthony, Michael Carter Williams, Troy Daniels, Kyle OQuinn, Nerlens Noel, Noah Vonleh, Ante Zizic, Shabazz Napier, Glen Robinson, Markieff Morris, Caleb Swanigan, JaKarr Sampson, Emmanuel Mudiay, Raul Neto, Furkan Korkmaz, Pat Connaughton, Jahlil Okafor, Derrick Jones Jr, Treveon Graham, Christian Wood, Willy Hernangomez, Bruno Caboclo, Gary Payton II, Marvin Williams, DeMarre Carroll, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Reggie Jackson, Jeff Green, David Nwaba

Part 2 - Potential Free Agents: Restricted Bogdan Bogdanovic (9 mil) Brandon Ingram (6 mil) Kris Dunn (4.3 mil) Allonzo Trier (3.4 mil) Jakob Poeltl (3 mil) Thon Maker (3 mil) Dario Saric (2.6 mil) Denzel Valentine (2.4 mil) Torrey Craig (2 mil) Malik Beasley (2 mil) DeAndre Bembry (1.8 mil) Jordan Bell (1.6 mil) Skal Labissiere (1.5 mil) Damian Jones (1.5 mil) Wenyen Gabriel (1.4 mil) Brad Wanamaker (1.4 mil) Dewan Hernandez (1.3 mil) Damyean Dotson (1.3 mil) Wes Iwundu (1.3 mil) Dwayne Bacon (1.2 mil) Sterling Brown (1.2 mil) Frank Jackson (1.2 mil) DeAnthony Melton (1.1 mil) Jevon Carter (1.1 mil) Alize Johnson (1.1 mil) Kenrich Williams (1.1 mil) Chris Boucher (1 mil) Malcom Miller (1 mil) Shaquielle Harrison (898k) Rayjon Tucker (578k) Gary Clark (555k) More listed here but with no salary/stats, probably either not on a team or a 2way

Part 1 - Potential Free Agents: Player Options Gordon Hayward (31.9 mil) DeMar DeRozan (27.8 mil) Otto Porter (26.6 mil) Andre Drummond (25.4 mil) Anthony Davis (25.4 mil) Nicolas Batum (24 mil) Tim Hardaway Jr. (17.7 mil) Evan Fournier (17 mil) James Johnson (14.4 mil) Kelly Olynyk (12.5 mil) Tony Snell (11.5 mil) Jerami Grant (9.1 mil) Caldwell-Pope (8.2 mil) Jabari Parker (6.5 mil) Rodney Hood (5.8 mil) Enes Kanter (4.8 mil) JaMychal Green (4.8 mil) Avery Bradley (4.8 mil) Robin Lopez (4.8 mil) JaVale McGee (4.1 mil) Stanley Johnson (3.7 mil) Wesley Matthews (2.6 mil) Rajon Rondo (2.5 mil) Austin Rivers (2.2 mil) Willie Cauley-Stein (2.2 mil) Mike Muscala (2.1 mil) James Ennis (2 mil) Mario Hezonja (1.8 mil) Team Option: Bobby Portis (15 mil) Marvin Bagley (7.9 mil) De'Aaron Fox (5.5 mil) Garrett Temple (4.7 mil) Frank Kaminsky (4.7 mil) Cheick Diallo (1.6 mil) Mykhailiuk (1.4 mil) Theo Pinson (1.4 mil) Semi Ojeleye (1.4 mil) Abdel Nader (1.3 mil) Melvin Frazier (1.2 mil) Hamidou Diallo (1.1 mil) Deonte Burton (784k)

I checked some draft boards today just to see where people estimate we will land. Most have us at #15 Here is who they project us taking: Josh Green (Arizona) - 6'5 G Cole Anthony (UNC) - 6'3 G Nico Mannion (Arizona) - 6'3 G Kira Lewis (Alabama) - 6'3 G Tyrese Maxey (Kentucky) - 6'3 G

I was thinking about it and unless there is someone that we feel is a long-term fit...I think adding anyone for this year just doesn't make sense. There are less than 20 games left and adding anyone now will mess up rotations and take away more playing time from guys we should be investing in like Fultz (being comfortable with starters), Iwundu, Bamba, and Frazier (if we ever give him a chance). I mentioned Allen Crabbe yesterday just because I think he could be a productive bench guy. However, I guess Daniels and Crabbe would fill similar roles but both would basically cancel out Frazier from getting a shot or development time in NBA games.