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    Just now, TrueMagicFanSince1987 said:

    Again you have your opinion and I have mine. Not gonna sit here and go back and forth with you any longer because it’s useless. We will just agree to disagree. Have a good evening sir. 

    Good to know when your opinions are countered by well reasoned counter arguments you run away instead of having an open mind and learning something. 

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    35 minutes ago, TrueMagicFanSince1987 said:

    He actually has and you made me go and research it when I didn’t want to lol. Post ASG here are both players stats. 
    Murray- 13 ppg on 48.5 percent on his 2’s and 50 percent on his 3’s. 5 assists, 5 rebounds, 2 steals, and shooting 87.5 percent on his free throw attempts. 
     

    Fultz- 10.4 ppg on 46.4 percent on his 2’s and 0 percent on his 3’s. 7 assists, 2 rebounds, 1 steal, and shooting 64.3 percent on his free throw attempts. 
     

    Give me Murray’s production all day and then tell me he hasn’t been improving this year and all while doing it with vets on his team and playing slightly fewer minutes.

    You're using a 6 game sample. 

    The previous 5 games he was averaging 11 ppg. An outlier is bringing up his numbers. 

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    2 minutes ago, TrueMagicFanSince1987 said:

    I was giving you the most recent game as an example not using that as the baseline to define him or his play as of late. I simply stated he’s improved as the year has progressed and is doing so playing with plenty of vets on the team.  That was the argument from the beginning. You stated they’re in the same situation putting up similar numbers but I beg to differ and that’s ok if someone doesn’t share your same opinions or views. 

    But he hasn't improved as time has gone on. He's been around the same numbers all year. 

    And when one guy averages 10.6ppg 4.1 assists and 1.7 steals a game and the other guy averages 11.7 ppg 5.2 assists and 1.3 steals that's pretty similar

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    1 minute ago, TrueMagicFanSince1987 said:

    No I’m just giving you evidence as to why Murray has been improving as of late and has a bigger role than Fultz and putting up better numbers. Also I never stated Ross is playing at an MVP level but sure go ahead and put words in my mouth. 

    I'm pointing out how single game samples aren't good at defining players

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    1 minute ago, TrueMagicFanSince1987 said:

    So you are gonna seriously pull up one game where he didn’t score and tell me he isn’t improving? I get it you don’t like when other people contradict you but you are something else. Cool story though bro. 

    Contradict? You're being intellectually dishonest. By your logic Ross is playing like an mvp lately

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    2 minutes ago, TrueMagicFanSince1987 said:

    And which identity is that? The one where we play the same way and lose a bunch of games? Murray has been on a tear as of late. Let’s take his last game for example: 21 points on 9-14 shooting and 3-5 from 3 point range. He also got 6 assists 5 boards and 2 steals in 28 minutes of action. I would hardly call that a smaller role than Fultz.

    Are you honestly sitting here quoting a single game back at me and calling that "lately"?

    Should I bring up his zero point 0-7 shooting effort in 21 minutes the other day and act like that's an honest representation of his game?

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    24 minutes ago, TrueMagicFanSince1987 said:

    I look at guys like Dejountay Murray and Ja Morant who are rookies playing with vets but they take over when needed by their respective teams. I don’t buy the whole needing to earn respect from the vets when those vets aren’t helping your team win. If you’re a baller and know it it should show on the court there’s no need to be passive or scared to show them up because that’s why you’re in the best league in the world with the best talent in the world. If Fultz had the IT factor he would show it more on the court. Maybe the coach is telling him to set his guys up more than look for his own shot but that’s why we are in this shambolic mess to begin with. Entitled vets who aren’t held accountable for terrible play night in and out. 

    Murray has a smaller role than fultz and Morant joined a team starting from scratch, not a team with an established identity

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    15 minutes ago, Magicman28 said:

    Yes I can.

    You basically just echoed my statement of his limitations saying it’s due to role and deference to other players.

    I also have asked questions on here but if we are going to turn basketball into quantum physics then I’ll just bow out of this conversation. It’s really not that complex.

    I pay attention to more than clips.

    Quantum physics? We're saying you can't really fully appreciate players by only looking at box scores and watching stuff on YouTube here and there. It's like saying you can't really appreciate a television show by reading the Wikipedia and following up with a few key clips. Watching things as they happen in context is really really really important. 

    So much of what guys do on the court isn't categorized into highlight videos. It's fine for seeing how Caris LeVert got his 51 points or how gordon got that game saving block against Brooklyn but not how guys rotate on defense or passes into missed shots or placing big moments in context. 

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    2 minutes ago, Magicman28 said:

    I pay attention. It’s a sport I invested so much time in for so long growing up. When I say studied it, it’s no exaggeration....Daily like it was subject...On top of playing it religiously every day. I at one point was determined to go into the NBA. Other choices steered me away from that.
     

    Years ago I cut the cord on cable. I have never reupped. Don’t think I ever will. I’m a movie person and like to be out of the house with the fam as much as possible. I pay attention though and while I’m not going to say I am this great scout with some eye, I know game...I know  the game and I do watch clips, not highlights, of certain players. I don’t just watch the dunks and shots, I watch a lot more than that.  
     

    Fultz... dude has potential to be a creator. He’s somewhat already is but is limited either by role or himself or both. He’s a technically a rookie so I keep that in context as will. 

    Wait... You have all these opinions on guys who you haven't watched?

    You can't really understand things from just watching clips

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    10 minutes ago, Magicman28 said:

    So you think Cliff is not giving him the green light to shoot a lot from outside?

    Its not a problem I have because I don’t play for the Magic.

    I think he's more focused on distributing to our other guys than scoring right now. 

    He's shooting 51% on twos and 41% from the mid range. 

    Three point shooting isn't a deciding reason why a guy is or is not considered an offensive player. Jimmy Butler isn't not an offensive player because he's shooting the same percentage from three as fultz. Ben Simmons isn't not an offensive player because guys leave him open on the three point line. Derrick white isn't a limited offensive player because he's stuck in a role where he doesn't get field goal attempts. 

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    16 minutes ago, TrueMagicFanSince1987 said:

    I guess they are just guys who are getting paid to run around and work up a sweat lol.

    I think you're incorrectly replacing "role player" with "3 and D" in your head. 

    Like MCW is a role player. He provides defense and energy. Augustin is a role player, he provides shooting (except this year), Birch is a role player, he sets screens and defends. 

    Role players operate in specific roles doing 1 or 2 things. A 3 and D player is a guy who can hit threes and defend but you actually have to do those two roles to be considered one

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    18 minutes ago, 3rd Quarter Collapse said:

    I’m not sure he comes out this year— if I had to guess, he probably returns to UF for another year— but Scottie Lewis seems like a guy WeltHam would be interested in. Long wingspan, elite athleticism and on ball defense with some interesting development on offense so far. I like him as a player, though he’ll be more of a project rather than a NBA-ready player from day one (which is probably why he returns to college). If he comes out, though, I could see Lewis being a Magic pick.

    I agree, I just think it'd be a mistake to pick him at 16 given the level of development he needs. 

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    3 minutes ago, TrueBlueDrew said:

    The Front Office hasn't put much trust in their second round picks since being with Orlando. I understand it's a coin flip, but maybe we need to do a better job of scouting. 

    Since 2005, here are some second round gems:

    • David Lee (#30, 2005)
    • Ersan Ilyasova (#36, 2005)
    • Monta Ellis (#40, 2005)
    • Louis Williams (#45, 2005)
    • Marcin Gortat (#57, 2005)
    • PJ Tucker (#35, 2006)
    • Paul Millsap (#47, 2006)
    • Glen Davis (#35, 2007)
    • Marc Gasol (#48, 2007)
    • DeAndre Jordan (#35, 2008)
    • Goran Dragic (#45, 2008)
    • Patrick Beverley (#42, 2009)
    • Danny Green (#46, 2009)
    • Patty Mills (#55, 2009)
    • Hassan Whiteside (#33, 2010)
    • Lance Stephenson (#40, 2010)
    • Jimmy Butler (#30, 2011)* technically first, but close enough
    • Bojan Bogdanovic (#31, 2011)
    • Isaiah Thomas (#60, 2011)
    • Jae Crowder (#34, 2012)
    • Draymond Green (#35, 2012)
    • Khris Middleton (#39, 2012)
    • Joe Harris (#33, 2014)
    • Spencer Dinwiddie (#38, 2014)
    • Nikola Jokic (#41, 2014)
    • Jordan Clarkson (#46, 2014)
    • Montrezl Harrell (#32, 2015)
    • Pat Connaughton (#41, 2015)
    • Ivica Zubac (#32, 2016)
    • Malcolm Brogdon (#36, 2016)
    • Josh Hart (#30, 2017)*
    • Dillon Brooks (#45, 2017)
    • Devonte Graham (#34, 2018)
    • Gary Trent Jr. (#37, 2018)
    • Hamidou Diallo (#45, 2018)

    2019 is still TBD -- but still, that's a lot of talent that could be helping our team. Maybe it isn't scouting as much as it is player development because certain players thrive depending on where they land, I get that. 

    I don't really think it's scouting. I think it's mostly random. 

    Like it's wrong to think of Dillon Brooks as having a 100% chance of being Dillion Brooks. There's been dozens of guys with similar profiles and all of them have a 5% or 15% or whatever% of being starting caliber players and Dillon Brooks just happens to be the guy who hit. 

    So we keep drafting guys based on similar profiles and sooner or later one will hit. 

     

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    15 minutes ago, TrueBlueDrew said:

    Who do we think the Magic will select in this years draft? 

    Will they keep both of their 2nd round picks?

    We only have 1 second round pick. 

    The players that fit most about what we like in players (that reasonably could be available near where we pick in the first round) are:

     

    PG: Kira Lewis maybe

    Wings: Devin Vassell, Isaac Okoro, Saddiq Bey, Jahmi'us Ramsey, Josh green, Tyler bey, maybe Leandro balmero, and maybe Aaron Nesmith though he isn't well rounded enough. 

    Forwards: Jaden McDaniels, Patrick Williams, Jaden Smith

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    17 minutes ago, TrueMagicFanSince1987 said:

    You’re right they are more 3 and D guys if they can hit the open 3 with some consistency. I believe we have a few 3 and D guys but they just aren’t that great at the 3 part. 

    We don't really have any 3 and D guys. Bamba is probably the closest. 

    3 and D guys play good defense and can hit open catch and shoot threes reliably. 

    Ross should be a high end 3 and D guy but his defense fluctuates too often to be considered good. 

     

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    46 minutes ago, Magicman28 said:

    How’s that? JI sure.

    Fultz can create his own offense. A team has to pay attention to him on offense. He can do multiple things to impact offense positively. 

    It's not about a ppg thing. 

    Danny green is a two way player even though he's never averaged more than 11.7ppg in his career. He executes his role on offense well. 

    Iwundu doesn't execute in his offensive role often enough. Some games he looks good. Many games he doesn't provide anything on that end. And it's random. 

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    38 minutes ago, VoiceofReason said:

    Two way players that have struggled to stop anybody recently?  Teams continue to kill us with the Pick n Roll and set records for points and 3's against us.  Would you rather have scorers that can't play defense or 2way players that struggle defensively? 

    2 way players that struggle defensively are, by definition, not two way players. 

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    11 minutes ago, MagicOne said:

    I heard Cliff say that and I am shocked. To not have a plan for Duncan Robinson ? Smh!

    Team defense is built around stopping a few things. You can't install defensive options to stop every player during the season. This is why playoff basketball is different. More time to strategize and practice things and build a defense to a specific team instead of 2-3 options. 

     

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    2 minutes ago, TrueMagicFanSince1987 said:

    Understandable but a step back falling away 3 is a bad shot. No need to go into the corner and trap yourself against the sideline. Either way it was gonna be a tough game to win with how Miami shot lights out from 3. 

    With that much time left down 3 there's not many other options. Option 1 and 2 were moving in the preferable areas. Can't throw a pass to the opposite corner. Not much else available to get a good three point look. 

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