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This guy apparently can't even remember firing probably the most important team that could have helped curb this disaster. Jesus Christ.

No other countries did it? Well that's not true at all. When you look at countries that have proper PPE and robust testing like South Korea, you see the minimal deaths it's causing there. This is not a hindsight 20/20 thing. This is absolute failure. There have been multiple reports of people warning him about this from before the first case even came to the country. He didn't even give himself a chance because he actually fired the guy who's supposed to blow the whistle for us when pandemics are starting to form in China He didn't act on it because he isn't nuanced enough in daily world affairs to actually understand that these things take proper planning. It's why you don't have a fake billionaire who's bankrupted so many companies because of poor planning and asset management actually run an entire country such as the USA -- because running a country is not even close to running a business.

If you only knew how badly trump failed this country at the onset of this outbreak ...that’s ok you guys aren’t the ones actively fighting against this without proper PPE in areas where the virus is heavily concentrated Everything thus far has been a step late and it’s costing not only lives On the front line but also prolonging the length of these measures. this guy was talking about it being a democratic hoax when he should have been preparing companies to be spitting out tests and protective equipment a month ahead of time.

Time I think..

My hospital is already overflowed and we had to create new ICU beds.

I don't think anyone's going to laugh. We're all gonna hurt here. This isn't a laughing matter, at least to me. Im hoping that as we start doing the right thing, we will get past this like every other issue that's plagued us in the past, no pun intended. Lets reconvene on this issue in 2 months. If we all aren't placed in concentration camps, you can send me a can of coke.

You were basically saying that the tests diagnosing more people than actually have it, as if furthering this is a conspiracy to "pump up the numbers" so people can panic.

You do understand that practically every diagnostic test in medicine has a false positive and false negative rate? Considering the battery of different tests coming out almost daily, im sure some tests are better than others. Add to that that China has always been dubious in reporting anything -- I don't trust anything coming out of that country -- they were the ones arresting those trying to sound the alarms in november. That's not a conspiracy theory lol. This has actually been a concern for us right now as physicians because of the amount of tests coming out. Reliability is something were trying to assess here while also pumping out the number of tests so we can start diagnosing people who have it. But people mildly ill literally need no treatment, just self isolation. The people critically ill in the ICU are the ones recieving treatments. Some working, some aren't.

Yup, 195 countries, including all their scientists and doctors, including enemy countries of the United States, are all uniting just to falsely test for Coronavirus. Donald Trump, the enemy of the deep state, is also now in on this! This may be the biggest conspiracy in the history of the Universe. Just ignore him dude. This is for real, scientific discussion here. We can't be wasting time on conspiracy theory fantasies.

The main difference is S. Korea has tested right away and running through thousands of tests daily; Nearly 20,000 people are being tested every day. We aren't. We still aren't. We're way behind. This is the missing piece right now. I ask again, considering all the information you now have with regards to mortality and the critically ill, including those under the age of 50 and also taking into consideration the lack of tests we have, what would you do?

Right, Italy has been on complete lockdown so to say a significant portion of their population hasn’t been affected as of today —well — this is actually a testament that lockdowns actually work in some capacity. Second, I’d love to hear other ideas on what to do considering what I’ve already posted previously.

Yeah but where do you pick and choose? I just showed you an article that in most developed countries, people admitted to the ICU, 50% are under the ages of 50-65. Anyone requiring admission to an ICU means they have a more severe illness and now has a higher risk of dying; they now require closer monitoring and critical care nursing quickly to have a chance to make it out alive. Not controlling this disease for ages 20-44 eventually does harm because it now puts more pressure on the healthcare system -- this population is gonna get sicker and eventually STILL pass it on to older patients, the people you want to protect. That's because this is spread in a chain reaction -- one person infects another person, and in turn that person can spread it to 10 other people. That will spread through grandkids, kids, family members, and eventually familes. See that New Jersey Family that just had 4 people die from a family gathering. And that's a problem -- to stop this virus we essentially have to stop everyone. Asymptomatic people are the invisible spreaders -- and these compromise 80% of those that are infected right now. Those are the people driving this. Compound to that our lack of tests, we cant properly identify them. Letting them spread it freely will then spiral everything out of control. The reason this virus has people freak out is because it has a unique combination of virulence and infectability with not so easy to ignore mortality rate. Also, are you saying let the people younger than 60 should go out and just risk their life? When we don't even know the true numbers yet as this is the beginning? We obviously don't have the exact mortality rates, but remember, we have to use the numbers we have and the numbers other countries, who have tested more than we have, to get an average of those numbers. Michael Olsterholm made a fantastic point when he said even this number doesn't change the fact that we have a high risk population in the United States - obese people: Now that you know what's at stake, i'd like to know what you propose to do instead of flattening the curve while we catch up? Remember, once we catch up like China has, we can reopen the economy like they plan to do.

Of course. I am not advocating ignoring one side of the equation. But I think what most people fail to understand here is that we failed as a country because our federal government didn't do enough before the outbreak and at the beginning of the outbreak. All these draconian measures are there to make up for lost time. We could have avoided this entire scenario with the right team and protocol in place. Secondly, we're seeing more and more data that this isnt harmless and people under the age of 60. This is why we can't just focus on a high risk population -- the only people not at risk are those under the age of 20. And here is proof of that data: If the worst case scenarios come true, we're gonna run out of ventilators And remember, this is just the beginning here. We haven't reached peak infection. Right now our mortality rate is 1.5%, but were still lagging behind since the virus can cause serious illness 2 weeks after onset. Once the hospital systems get overwhelmed, that mortality rate is gonna skyrocket. Third, it's hard to apply any herd immunity models on a novel virus. That's because we really don't know if people are going to be immune. Similar to getting the flu, it may not make you immune to getting it again the next flu season. And the flu has a mortality rate of 0.1% here. This is something that can surely kill 2-3% of the population. The UK already considered this but now they’re backing off of it. Why? Look there's no good answer here. The fact of the matter is, part of the reason were in this atrocious predicament is due to the bungling of this situation from the federal government. It's them we should be angry at. Doctors and other experts are being asked now what to do to combat it now that we're late -- and unfortunately this is the only feasible answer.

Right, I saw that...but that to me is fascist government officials trying to take advantage of an emergency situation. Remember this is the guy calling this a hoax just a few weeks ago. He wasn’t secretly planning this. Also you might want to read this about another failure of the administration https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN21910S?__twitter_impression=true

I get it man, and I agree with you. The hoarding is freaking ridiculous and I blame the media for that part.