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  1. 2 hours ago, TrueMagicFanSince1987 said:

    Wes is a 2 way player that doesn’t get any burn for some reason. Is he amazing probably not but he’s better than what we’ve been putting out on the floor recently namely Ennis and Clark. 

    But he really isn't better than they are. Basically in no measurable way. I am not sure I get this narrative that seems to have hung around Iwundu that he should be getting more time- because nothing from his on-court play suggests that.

    Clark and Ennis haven't been amazing or anything- they should be bench to end of the bench guys. But Iwundu isn't the answer there either.


  2. 18 minutes ago, Magicpassion said:

    Absolutely! and most experts will agree that he has a better arsenal in the low post with both hands then most centers in the league. His problem is guarding the perimeter, p&r defense. Also our team can’t shoot very well so defenses lag off the perimeter and clog the paint making it very tough for him to navigate. We are one of the worst shooting teams in the league as stats will back that up. It allows the defenses an advantage and post players a disadvantage. 

    This year he is in the bottom quartile, with a 40% FG% when posting up.

    Last year he was in the 50th percentile with a 49% FG% on post ups.

    In the 2018 season, he was again in the bottom quartile with a 40% FG% on post ups.

    In 2017, he just missed the bottom quartile, with a 44.6 FG%.

    2016 was the only year he posted good numbers in the post, just squeezing into the top quartile (75.6 %tile), with a 50% FG%.

    While he has a variety of moves, the moves don't seem to create positive offensive production. He is not a good post player.

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  3. 4 minutes ago, Fultz4thewin said:

    Probably. 

    It's just probably a tougher decision than we make it out to be. If our issues are offense and shooting it's difficult to make the decision to move away from our "best" two offensive players. Fultz keeps slowly getting more responsibility so we probably feel like we're balancing today and growth. 

    We're just really in a tough position for the next 27 or whatever games. The more we go away from Vucevic the worse his impact is. On the flip side the more we go away from fournier the more improved he becomes. 

    But we have to win basketball games. But Bamba specifically seems hindered by the tight leash Clifford has him on. And fultz seems ready to take on the role we need him to take but there's still mistakes he makes as a young player that hurt us sometimes. 

    I'm on team "hand the keys over to the young guys and let them be responsible for our success or failure" but I also recognize that it's easy for me to say that because I want to maximize the future while Clifford is more focused on Dallas and it's difficult to change a team's identity mid season. 

    I mean, I am not sure what more Clifford wants out of Bamba.

    Last 10 games: 13 minutes. Shooting 59/50/87, 6 points, 3.5 rebounds, .7 assists, .4 steals, 1.7 blocks, 1.8 PF.

    Our team has actually been better with him on the court than Vuch over those 10 games.


  4. Takeaways from above:

    Looking at a lot of this, it can be hard to see why we are such a terrible offensive team, as we are average in a lot of categories, and even good in some of the categories. But where we are terrible, we are really bad.

    And this is really important with spot up shooting, which is the most prevalent way for teams to finish a play. So, while we are in the bottom 5 frequency wise in finishing plays, that is still 20 plays per game where we are only squeaking out .9 PPP.

    Compare that with finishing plays off of screens. We score a respectable 1.02 points per possession in those circumstances, and yet only 7.4 plays per game finish off of these actions. And, unfortunately, this is unlikely to go up, as we are already close to the top in that category.

    And we really need to get out into transition more. The slow pace is really hurting our team get easy baskets. We are not a bad transition team, but we play like we are a bad transition team- scared of pushing the ball up the court.

    Basically, we seem to make some bad offensive decisions when it comes to amount of plays run in different categories and we are so bad at the most common finishing type that our offensive ceiling is very limited until our shooting improves. This is why we really miss Augustin. And I can't help but wonder how much the difficulties with one type of play exasperate our difficulties in other situations.

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  5. Some interesting statistical notes I found when looking up other stuff:

    On an individual basis:

    We have two of the best cutters in the league in Gordon and Fournier (Fournier is actually better than Gordon, scoring 1.68 ppp when cutting to Gordon's 1.57. On a PPP basis, Fournier is basically the best in the league, though Gordon has twice the number of attempts). Neither are in the top 50 players when it comes to volume though. (To be fair, most of the top 20 or so are centers).

    We basically don't run isos, which is good because our team is terrible at it.

    We post up too much for a team that is terrible at it. (Vuch posts up 3.7 times per game. He scores .73 PPP in post up situations. Gordon has 2.1 post ups per game scoring .89 PPP) Post ups are in general inefficient, but sometimes you need that different look. Vuch is top 10 in attempts per game though while being one of the least efficient players in post up situations in the league.

    We are missing Augustin's spot up abilities. Besides Fournier, he is basically the only guy we have that is above average.

    We are actually pretty good with players coming off screens. I would say we should do it more, but with Fournier and Ross, we already have 2 of the top 12 when it comes to number of plays finished in this manner.

    Team basis:

    We are good at finishing in transition (top 10), but bad at getting into those situations (bottom 10 in the league in attempts)

    As noted above, we are terrible at isos, but clifford is smart enough to limit those attempts and we attempt the least in the league.

    We are average when the P&R ball handler finishes the play, but below average when the roll man finishes the play.

    We are the worst post up team in the league efficiency wise and attempt too many post ups.

    We are the worst spot up team in the league.

    We are average at hand offs.

    We are average at cutting plays, even while having two of the best cutters in the league on our team.

    We are good at coming off screens.

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  6. 35 minutes ago, Fultz4thewin said:

    The problem is a fournier-Vucevic pick and roll is the most efficient thing we do. So when we say "give the ball to fultz" it's pushing a less effective strategy. 

    We're operating on the presumption that fultz will fix a lot of that with more reps and more defined responsibility (and he's already pretty close to eclipsing Fournier so it's not like the drop off would be huge). Plus he'd make fournier more effective by opening up more catch and shoot opportunities. 

    So we have to hope fultz starts taking that role from fournier with improvement vs having Clifford just give it to him. Because that won't happen as long as these numbers stay the same. 

    I want to see some Fultz-Gordon pick and roll. Or just pick and roll with Gordon as the roll man in general. When getting the ball as a roll man, he scores 1.33 points per possession- which is pretty great. But he has only been the finisher in these situations on 24 possessions. That is 1/10 the number of times Vuch has been the roll man. Vuch scores a respectable 1.14 points per possession in these situations, but it only makes sense (to me) to have a little more variety.


  7. 34 minutes ago, Fultz4thewin said:

    Our offense is weird because the averages would suggest we're improving on offense but if you look at the game by game stuff it's something like

    Terrible offense

    Terrible offense

    Terrible offense

    Amazing outlier level offense

    Terrible

    Terrible

    Terrible

    Amazing

    Amazing

    Terrible

    And so on. 

     

    Meanwhile our defense has played one good game in the last 15. We're going to end up bottom 10 for the season. 

    It's weird. We were looking okay for the first few games without Isaac, but it feels like we have fallen apart on both ends without Augustin.


  8. 36 minutes ago, Fultz4thewin said:

    Why is he overrated?

    Because he is not very good in my opinion.

    1. He is inefficient. (He is less efficient this year than Fournier was last year. His efficiency has dropped every year that he has been in the league.)

    2. Decent passer, but would have the most turnovers of any player on our roster.

    3. Since his rookie year, the Nets have not been better with him on the court. 

    4. Might be injury prone- has never played a full season.

    5. Not a good defensive player, going by NBA's tracking metrics and basically any advanced stat. Opponents average about 3% higher FG% over him than their normal averages.

    6. Fivethirtyeight also seems to agree with me, as they note his 5 year forecast as being a "rotational player"- and that was before this year where he has not been playing that well/been injured.

     

    What makes you think he is any good?


  9. 1 minute ago, Mauro Pedrosa said:

    He was done before I stopped watching lmao

    He has only been in the league for 5 years and has always been a bit of a non-entity. He is a role player who has started a few times when teams have needed it.

    This is a "We need a body at this position, this is a body at position of need that we can get for very cheap."

    This is one of those super minor moves that people won't even remember and will likely have not impact on anything.

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