Wilbur
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If we were to sign him, who's most likely to go Scott Skiles on him first? My money would be on JI.
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The issue with Fournier is his player option leaves $17 million on the books as Mosgov and Augustine are rolling off... following (potentially) Vuc and Ross rolling off. I'm expecting our cap situation to be as good as it is going to get in 2020. Fournier not being traded clouds that a bit... but the best option may be to hold him till the deadline, hope he rebuilds value and then shop him.
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Does no timetable mean no timetable or does it mean Orlando wants to enter the offseason with Fultz having an unknown future around the league? Seems to me there is benefit in him being a wildcard this summer.
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I hope that's not the approach they take, but fear it will be.
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This offseason is about the salary cap. 1. Who are the big money guys going to be moving forward. The only one of the top 4 highest paid this year that we should want in the group is Gordon. To me, that means Vuc AND Ross shouldn't be back. 2. If the Braves are going to get an impact FA to be in that group, they will need to do it before Isaac and Fultz are looking for a new contracts. That means this offseason, or next, is the only time to go shopping. To me that means Fournier has got to go also. 3. This team may be worse next year, but it could also be better if the kids step up. Isaac isn't going to develop his handle hanging around the arc waiting on Vuc to throw it out. Bamba won't get better sitting on the bench. Put the ball in Fultz' and Gordon's hands to see what we've really got in those two. 4. Ideally there's an asset to be had for Fournier, but if we are going to watch Vuc and Ross leave for nothing, might as well trade Founier for Parsons and let he and Mosgove sit together on the bench while league minimum kids get a shot to impress. 5. This all started with Gordon's contract descending in annual salary. Last year they trimmed what they could. That's got to continue this offseason.
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2018-19 Official Season Discussion Thread
Wilbur replied to The Neighborhood Bully's topic in Orlando Magic Forum
I don't necessarily want to be in complete tank mode, but keeping Vuc for any period of time in hopes of winning games this season makes no sense to me. This season has to be about developing BIG and buying into the new system. Vuc has to be moved for a future asset. Waiting will only make the Magic desperate at the deadline. -
Gamethread: Magic vs Heat - SEASON PREMIERE
Wilbur replied to Mauro Pedrosa's topic in Orlando Magic Forum
We will have to agree to disagree on this one. The fact that he skied for the offensive rebound proves he is mentally tough enough to fight through the fatigue and make the play. Saying he shouldn't be tired isn't macho bs. It is an opinion of what the conditioning of a 23 year old premiere athlete should be coupled with an expectation that our experienced coach will not ride him into the ground so that there is nothing left in the last 4 minutes. However, whether I am right, or you are right, doesn't change the fundamental point: (1) If Gordon is in the game the ball shouldn't be in a two man game with Vuc and Fournier. But I'll add to it: (2) If Gordon was gassed and couldn't be effective/didn't want the ball, he should have been on the bench and our coach should explain how he didn't handle minutes well enough to permit Gordon to be effective in crunch time. -
Gamethread: Magic vs Heat - SEASON PREMIERE
Wilbur replied to Mauro Pedrosa's topic in Orlando Magic Forum
Then let's make the decision off of 6 years of watching Vuc and 4 years of watching Fournier. They aren't bad people. They aren't even bad NBA players. They are simply no longer a fit for this franchise. We have outgrown them. There was a time when we thought those two were going to be the foundation of the franchise. That is no longer the case. Vuc is an energy killing back to the basket big without defense. 20 years ago, Chicago and MJ would have made him a star. That was then this is now. Evan would be great as instant offense off the bench for a contending team. But right now he seems to believe that he is the offense on this team. When he is in the game, the shot is going up. He has somehow managed to increase his shots per game each season he has been in the league. I just don't see him settling for a bench role in Orlando. Even if he would, is the franchise better off with him coming off the bench firing or in having the ability to have one of Isaac or Gordon on the floor at all times running the offense from a point forward look or running PNR with Bamba/pick your PG? The latter crtainly seems better for developing the future of the franchise. It truly isn't about the one game last night. Who needs a C or SF and has a young PG with some upside and a contract that isn't an albatross? Get them on the phone quick before this season is wasted playing buddy ball in crunch time while your potential all star gets iced out. I think someone mentioned Gordon being tired. This is complete rubbish. I don't care how hard Gordon goes all game (and it was exceptional effort) he is 23 and should demand the ball in that situation. If a 23 year old NBA player is completely gassed by playing a single basketball game he either needs to get in extra conditioning or get some mental toughness. I don't think AG needs either. Rant Over. -
Gamethread: Magic vs Heat - SEASON PREMIERE
Wilbur replied to Mauro Pedrosa's topic in Orlando Magic Forum
Trade them or cut them. But this team is going nowhere with Vuc/Fournier. -
Gamethread: Magic vs Heat - SEASON PREMIERE
Wilbur replied to Mauro Pedrosa's topic in Orlando Magic Forum
Vuc/Fournier in a two man game freezing out the guy with 26 points and 16 rebounds. Awesome. -
Gamethread: Magic vs Heat - SEASON PREMIERE
Wilbur replied to Mauro Pedrosa's topic in Orlando Magic Forum
What runs does the Vuc/Fournier lineup have? -
Gamethread: Magic vs Heat - SEASON PREMIERE
Wilbur replied to Mauro Pedrosa's topic in Orlando Magic Forum
Let the offense run through Gordon. He needs to demand it. He has the big contract. It's his team, yet he has 3 shots and Vuc/Fournier have 12. Unreal. -
Gamethread: Magic vs Heat - SEASON PREMIERE
Wilbur replied to Mauro Pedrosa's topic in Orlando Magic Forum
Won't change as long as our identity is Vuc/Fournier. We've seen it. We don't like it. -
1st Preseason game: Magic @ 76ers
Wilbur replied to HardCutting Franz's topic in Orlando Magic Forum
I'm fine with Fournier shooting it everytime he touches it... provided he and Vuc are playing for other teams. If we are keeping both around this year and allowing them to shoot a combined 30 shots a game, slap redshirts on Issac and Mo and, embrace the tank. -
I care as much about two games in Mexico as I do about Evan Fournier's views on our off-season. Okafor just signed a league minimum deal. Okafor is Vuc without the range, right? Lots of scouts missed it when it comes to that 2015 draft.
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I come for basketball talk. I know nothing about James investments that resulted in him making his money. However, from an economic standpoint it is impossible to amass that kind of money without creating employment and improving a community. My wild guess is that a true evaluation of his entrepreneurial efforts would demonstrate that his financial impact on communities would be far more than the value of his personal fortune and the number of lives improved would be staggering.
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Dakari Johnson becomes a 5th center? That's got to be a precursor to Vuc leaving, right? With Gordon's contract decreasing over time and Mosgov coming off the books 2 years from now, would you take on an extra bad year if it brings an asset?
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Orlando is a textbook example of how to squander assets. Sure there will be picks that don't pan out. But consider the following: Oladipo and a 1st rounder were wasted. Hezonja and others were simply not developed and allowed to walk. Money was invested in Vuc, Fournier and Harris which actually decreased their value around the league. The rebuild now rests on the shoulders of Gordon and the last two 1st rounders. All 3 are considered athletic freaks. There is an upside, but wow, what a waste of assets.
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So he's possibly good...except that he's not? That's the story of this franchise the last 6 years.
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I'm missing something. The pg we just received got the most mpg of his career last year, managed an almost 4/1 ast/to ratio, shot over .320 from 3, and apparently has a defense first reputation. I get he isn't an all-star, but that's a pretty good return on Biz, right? No cap relief... But hard to get that at this point.
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If the direction of this franchise is length and athleticism, eyes should also be on Vuc and Evan and what they will return. At this point, I'd give up Fournier for trash that expires next season with Vuc and Ross. As much as I'd like to see Vuc move along, next year is another development year for Gordon, Issac and Bamba, so letting his contract play out might be the best option. I'd love to ditch Biyombo as well, but that contract is bad and if there are no takers, it might just be worth it to keep him to be a decent sparing partner for Bamba's development.
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Yep.
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Didn't the Magic draft Gordon to be the defensive stopper with hope that the offense would come around? Why not pick a guy to be an offensive catalyst with the hope that his defense will come around? I'm not worried about where they play. If you put Gordon, Issac and Bagley on the court to start the game, chances are your rotation is going to dictate that 2/3 are always on the court. For the minutes all three play together, they are a complete matchup nightmare on offense and Gordon and Issac should be able to switch to give Bagley some protection on the defensive end. It is not as though Bagley has athletic limitations that impair his defense like Vuc. The guy is an athletic freak like Gordon. I'll be shocked if he is there at 6. Other than Ayton, I don't think there is another player that is more sure to be gone when the Magic pick.
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Does he have to be on this team this year? When you think of all the young players that we have run through in this rebuild, to have only Gordon to show for it is really frustrating.
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What can the Magic expect in return if they tried to immediately flip DeRozan to get back into the lottery? Essentially, a trade down that sheds salary instead of future draft assets?